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Using Condensed Steam for Topping a Battery

05/10/2013 6:59 AM

Dear Friend; We use saturated steam for Corrugator machine. Can we use its condensed water to top up the flooded lead acid battery? People say that condensed water is also distilled and can be used for watering of battery. Please give me technical answer.

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Re: Steam condensed water for topping the battery

05/10/2013 7:12 AM

As long as the water hasn't been contaminated, it should be fine.

Distilled water is distilled water.

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Re: Steam condensed water for topping the battery

05/10/2013 7:25 AM

Just make sure there is no rust or dirt in it, for the battery won't last long if there is.

Although it can be done, it is better to obtain bottled battery water from a known source. Automotive parts stores sell small quantities of it for immediate use.

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05/10/2013 7:44 AM

Yep. The water can easily get contaminated, even if it isn't visible. Just putting it in a metal bucket could ruin it.

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05/10/2013 9:37 AM

What is used to control the steam/boiler chemistry?

If chemistry is volatile or if there is carryover, you will not just have H2O in the condensate.

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05/10/2013 11:56 PM

Okay, go back to Chem 101. Water is an excellent solvent; it breaks down other materials and mixes very well. Your tap water has a lot of minerals in it, so it's not as good a solvent.

Think of pure water (distilled) as having lots of holes. As you pass items past the water (or you run the water past items), the holes in the water will fill with particles. when the holes start to fill up, the water will be less reactive - to the point where the energy needed to push particles into the holes is so high that an outside source of energy is needed.

How does this relate to your Corrugator? As the steam distills, pure water will condense. If the water passes material that will react (the water pulls molecules/atoms), the water will no longer be pure and can cause damage to your battery. The places you will need to check for "cleanliness" is the path the condensed water moves through the Corrugator (including any valves or spigots), the vessel you are using to collect the water, contaminants in the air and and apparatus you're using to fill the storage vessel and to fill the battery.

Since distilled water is relatively inexpensive, I recommend simply buying the water - unless you are sure your water is "clean".

I hope this helps.

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05/11/2013 12:00 AM

I forgot to add that glass is a great vessel to use to collect the water. Ditto for some types of plastic.

Most metals are a no go. And definitely any rock with calcium or potassium are bad.

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05/18/2013 2:36 PM

Distilled wayet stored in glass containers over night will acquire about 20ppm of dissolved silica. It won't affect conductivity because it is non-ionic, but it will muck-up a battery if used regularly.

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05/11/2013 12:27 AM

It's amazing how damned spoiled we are. Just run down to the grocery and buy a bottle of distilled water...Duh. It's not always like that.

I think CR4 should run a TV show, (like survivor), where they pluck a few of us from the mix, and force us to survive by our wits in the middle of a jungle.

We could instantly resort to cannibalism, stuff a damned apple in Lyn's mouth, and live happily ever after.

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05/11/2013 3:49 AM

Is the steam condensed on a galvanized iron surface? If "yes" then, no, you can't use it. See previous posts about contaminants.

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05/11/2013 3:54 AM

Industries that use steam extensively will often add proprietary corrosion inhibitors to saturate their circulating steam/condensate. One of the cheapest and earliest non-proprietary additives is hydrazine. Since it and other additives is volatile to allow it to pass into the steam phase and re-condense into the condensate, you might want to ask someone in your steam generation division/department if such additives are used in your system. Hydrazine would do your battery no good, and I'm guessing that the other available additives might be inadvisable as well.

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05/11/2013 11:41 PM

Hi friends;

Very nice ideas got.

Dear Gene Hayes

Ok. I talk with steam generation department.

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05/13/2013 3:38 AM

Until then, use proprietary battery waters.

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05/18/2013 6:20 AM

Dear Gene Hayes

I have investigated and found that average usage of hydrazine is 0.1-0.2mg/liter in water.

The conductivity of water is 07 microsiemens per cm.

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05/18/2013 9:16 AM

So, that confirms you should not use the condensate water to refill the batteries.

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Using hydrazine contaminated water to replenish the batteries will likely result in a reaction between the hydrazine and sulfuric acid yielding hydrazine sulfate. The hydrazine sulfate will build up over time to the detriment of the battery.

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05/18/2013 2:13 PM

Distilled water is available in most grocery stores for less than $2 per gallon. I just realized that you are not in my country, so my comment may hold less meaning where you are. I've never been to Lahore and have no idea of what's available there. Sorry.

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05/19/2013 2:24 AM

Dear truth is not a compromise

During the process i.e water (having hydrazine in it) to steam then again water, does this condesned water also contains hydrazine in it?

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05/19/2013 4:42 AM

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05/20/2013 4:08 AM

Ok.

Thanks to all participents for their nice comments. Many new things learnt in this thread.

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