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10V In Between The Neutral & Earth Terminal (Death Circuit)

05/14/2013 10:10 PM

I need to commission back electrical circuit and turn on.

Perform the insulation resistance test and loop check, that I measure in between the neutral & earth terminal (death circuit) by the Multimeter and obtain the 10V result.

Can some once tell me that reason

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Re: 10V in between the neutral & earth terminal (death circuit)

05/14/2013 10:21 PM

Death circuit? 10V?

Any other numbers?

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Re: 10V in between the neutral & earth terminal (death circuit)

05/15/2013 7:13 AM

"With the circuit dead", perhaps?

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Re: 10V in between the neutral & earth terminal (death circuit)

05/14/2013 11:30 PM

How the system is earthed?

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Re: 10V in between the neutral & earth terminal (death circuit)

05/15/2013 12:11 AM

The main earth is come from the uninterruptible power supply unit to the copper bar, all other instrument load return earth is connected to the copper bar.(load side earth connection is flowing )

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Re: 10V in between the neutral & earth terminal (death circuit)

05/15/2013 2:30 AM

OK , you have a dead circuit(de-energized) and you are getting a 10v reading from neutral to ground....then you have something on maybe? or maybe something is bleeding voltage to ground nearby? can't really troubleshoot from here....

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Re: 10V in between the neutral & earth terminal (death circuit)

05/15/2013 3:18 AM

One wouldn't expect anything else. It is simply an expression of the neutral current elsewhere in the system and the earth loop impedance, as has been expressed in this forum countless times before.

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Re: 10V In Between The Neutral & Earth Terminal (Death Circuit)

05/15/2013 10:27 AM

I had a multimeter that used to measure voltages with no contacts placed in any circuit!

I got to figure out the reason! sometimes they don't work so well as well.

but 10 volt´s wont kill you, but the cc current may! the neutral is likely unbalanced.

is it a 3 phase circuit?

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Re: 10V In Between The Neutral & Earth Terminal (Death Circuit)

05/15/2013 10:31 PM

Can you manage to measure Voltage AND Current, AND note all circumstances, AND report ALL at the same time, before asking?!?

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Re: 10V In Between The Neutral & Earth Terminal (Death Circuit)

05/15/2013 10:57 PM

Assuming that your ground is truly grounded with a good connection, the Neutral you have is not grounded perfectly on the upstream side. It has to be at zero volts with reference to ground if it is properly grounded. It shows that the neutral is "floating" because of unbalanced loads in the upstream side.

Also, if you are getting 10V in an isolated circuit cut off from the mains, I suspect something due to the uninterrupted power source .

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Re: 10V In Between The Neutral & Earth Terminal (Death Circuit)

05/15/2013 11:59 PM

Dear Mr.k2chan,

Floating Earthing Concpt appears to the probem ( as referred by Mr. Packiarall - Vide Post No.9 here) and you open the link http://electrical-engineering-portal.com and you will find solution for your problem.

Pl.post the inf. how the problem is solved.

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Re: 10V In Between The Neutral & Earth Terminal (Death Circuit)

05/16/2013 4:14 AM

If there are high power lines in close proximity you can get such voltages just by EM radiation. I suppose the 10V is AC. I had measured up to 13 volts AC in such cases especially in industrial buildings with heavy machinery and train stations.

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Re: 10V In Between The Neutral & Earth Terminal (Death Circuit)

05/16/2013 6:50 AM

To put it differently, usually the neutral point of the supply transformer is connected to earth (sometimes through an earthing resistor). Any voltage seen at a consumer's supply point is caused by an imbalance resulting from different loads or sometimes high resistance faults which haven't cleared (the latter are rare). Fluorescent lamps also cause harmonic currents in neutral conductors. It's unusual to cal the earth connection a "Death" terminal; it's more usual to call it a "Safety" terminal.

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05/16/2013 8:12 AM

just put 6v/5w bulb and see if it glows, I bet it won't and your 'death' volts will drop to 0V, OK, may be to 155mV. That will practically prove all the learned colleagues above tried to explain.

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Re: 10V In Between The Neutral & Earth Terminal (Death Circuit)

05/16/2013 8:53 AM

need a LOT more information to make a reasonable guess!!!

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Re: 10V In Between The Neutral & Earth Terminal (Death Circuit)

06/16/2013 12:47 PM

An imbalance in a three phase load can cause neutral current which can result in a neutral line voltage drop. Also harmonics generated by non linear loads can show as voltage on some meters. An old one with a needle may not show that voltage. Another thing, copper is becoming scarce and the scrap value has resulted in increased thefts. The building next to mine in Santa Ana, Ca. has has the ground cable stolen but no one seems to care, not even the building inspector that jumped all over me for using an extension cord. The conduit is still in place and seems to be doing the job adequately without the copper.

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