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Manual Changeover Switch Overheat Cause

05/22/2013 3:40 AM

What is the possible cause of the damage to this change-over switch? The damage seem to have initiated from the third incoming wire to the left, so I'm suspecting improper tightening of the wire as the cause due to the wire being of a higher gauge than can be fit and tightened properly in the switch incoming side. What are your possible analysis from the photos. Note, no technical data had been provided aside from the photos, so despite the limited information, what can you make up from it.

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Re: Manual Changeover switch overheat cause.

05/22/2013 3:45 AM

Possibility 1: too much current.

Possibility 2: connection not "clean, tight and bright".

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Re: Manual Changeover switch overheat cause.

05/22/2013 4:48 AM

Possibility 3: some sort of foreign object or contaminant that has become bridged across the cables or terminals; anything from a cup of tea to a small rodent.

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05/22/2013 8:22 AM

It does not appear so as there are no signs of flashover.

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Re: Manual Changeover switch overheat cause.

05/22/2013 6:47 AM

that's your classic, "loose connection" it has a couple of possible causes, not limited to ..incorrect original installation, poor maintenance , and my favorite devil, vibration. the gauge of the wire probably has nothing to do with it, assuming the wire had never been nicked, crushed or otherwise damaged You can assume the wire itself didn't play a role in your failure.

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Re: Manual Changeover switch overheat cause.

05/22/2013 8:43 AM

The Change-over switch is actually rated at 100A and the cables are 70mm with a current carrying capacity of over 200A. The Gauge of the wire is not the problem in terms of Amp tolerance, rather the size of the wire might have not fit properly into the switch terminal, but since they managed to plug it anyway, I'm guessing they couldn't tighten the screw well after the fitting. I'm guessing the contractor who installed the panel at the site worried about voltage drop at the site, maybe due to the distance from the source to the panel. Then again, he should have replaced the change-over switch with a bigger one to safely and firmly be able to fit the incoming cable and tighten the screws properly.

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Re: Manual Changeover switch overheat cause.

05/22/2013 7:17 AM

What a mess, though.

Remedy? Clean-up and renew the damaged parts.

Prevention of recurrence? Higher installation and maintenance standards.

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05/22/2013 8:09 AM

The crimp tags do not appear damaged / burned and hence over load or loose connection can probably be ruled out. It looks as if the insulation is stripped off after the crimping. The damage most probably could be due to poor crimping (check whether 1 or 2 crimps have been done at the joint), too much bending stress just after the joint along with oxidation at crimp and conductor interface. It can also happen if suitable size crimp tag is not used. Also you can check whether some conductor strands have been cut at crimp joint to accommodate the cable into the crimp tag (if tag is undersized to fit in the switch terminal). Yes !!! Some electricians do it.

Just a point of note - Does your organisation have any preventive maintenance protocol. If not, you should frame and implement immediately.

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05/22/2013 8:47 AM

The Panel Board was provided by our company but not the installation.

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05/24/2013 11:56 PM

This wouldn't be you're company trying to get out of a warranty claim would it?

I'm a bit long in the tooth and have become cynical.

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05/25/2013 1:26 AM

Yes. It is very disappointing that the OP has not responded to the comments or feedback in the forum but gone ahead with his own preconceived opinions which supports his company's non liability. OP's should understand that forum people spend considerable amount of time in formulating their answers and even though all answers need not be right, basic courtesy demands that the OP reverts with whatever feedback they can give to try to see whether the issue can be closed logically. Even though being a recent contributor to site, I have personally faced 2 or 3 instances where the concerned OP's have not bothered to acknowledge the inputs given in the forum. If the OP's cannot interact with requested feedback(atleast with single yes / no / dont know), they deserve to be openly castigated. Afterall they are the first to approach the forum, soliciting views/ experience of peers. I think long term contributors are morally entitled to their grouchiness, cynicism and sarcastic replies I keep seeing in the forum. Atleast these irreverent replies bring some smiles and solace to our unanswered souls.

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05/25/2013 3:11 AM

I appreciate the time participants put into their responses, and I assure you I tried as much as possible to share in the discussion. However, I did not initiate this discussion to solicit views/experiences of members, rather I believed this to be an incident were we can all entertain some possibilities through by the time my company digs into the technical validity of what went wrong. Thank you for putting the time in sharing your views here.

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05/25/2013 3:29 AM

Thank you for the response.

My opinion is not directed at any one person in particular. It is a general lament.

In your specific case I do not agree to your company's conclusions. As far as I am concerned, the post mortem is still inconclusive.

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05/25/2013 2:53 AM

it's not the case, our damage report is only to aid our client, the contractor, as per his request. Should my company be directly involved in this case, we usually try to determine the technical legitimacy of any error to make sure it doesn't happen again rather than pin it on a client to avoid replacing an inexpensive product like the panel presented in the photos. On a side note, the panel above had been in operation for about 2 years ago.

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Re: Manual Changeover switch overheat cause.

05/22/2013 8:13 AM

<...improper tightening of the wire as the cause due to the wire being of a higher gauge than can be fit and tightened properly...>

So, why did that happen?

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Re: Manual Changeover switch overheat cause.

05/22/2013 8:54 AM

I'm not certain, but as I stated in my earlier "reply," that was my guess. Like I mentioned earlier, my company did not install the panel, they only provided it.

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Re: Manual Changeover switch overheat cause.

05/22/2013 8:45 AM

Another point following my earlier comment :

The sequence of cable connection seems to be wrong at COS switch. Check in COS whether neutral terminal has been specifically marked & whether this terminal has been used for connecting the burnt cable. If yes, you may have to refer to the COS manufacturer regarding current rating of Neutral terminal ( whether 100% or 50% of phase rating ). Some manufacturer provide early make and late break for neutral contact terminal which may also have a bearing on the observed incident.

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Re: Manual Changeover Switch Overheat Cause

05/23/2013 1:20 AM

Yep!

I have met the situation. It did not progress (yet) to the smoking stage, only to the metal discoloration and insulation melting.

Nonetheless, the oxides produced in the terminal block / screw was enough, that a repair a week later was overheating, again. Thermal imaging was clear as a bell.

Finally, half a year later the switch was replaced, all wires properly reterminated. No problem ever since.

I am sure, metallurgical examination of the silver plated hard copper components with steel(?) screws could provide more details on the progression of the trouble.

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