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Brushless Alternator Problem

06/04/2013 5:55 AM

The brushless alternator of 125 KVA is having problem of giving half the rated output voltage (i.e 110 volt per phase).The alternator is manufactured by BHEL,Kerala,India. The alternators have electronic components like Rotating diodes,1-phase & 3 phase bridge rectifiers and AVR. The diodes and bridge rectifiers are checked.All of them are fine.It is said that the AVR failure of BHEL alternator result in high voltage.So,we guess that it has no fault. Is any loose connection,between bridge rectifier and compounding transformer will result in such problem or any faulty winding insulation will result in such problem?

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Re: Brushless alternator problem

06/04/2013 6:00 AM

No joy over the phone to these people, then?

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Re: Brushless Alternator Problem

06/04/2013 9:56 AM

PWSlack has given you the path to follow.

Perhaps a service tech is in your future.

Your present course of action would be just as effective as asking the heavens for divine guidance.

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Re: Brushless Alternator Problem

06/04/2013 11:01 PM

I guess the alternator make is KEL and not BHEL, which has both AVR as well as compounded excitation system working together. Kindly confirm about the same. Check for the coupling failure to confirm whether alternator is operating at rated speed. This can be done by checking output frequency. Disconnect cables and confirm about cable failure. Check for any body ground of lead wires of stator, rotor or excitor winding. Check for loose terminations or lugging of main lead wires and excitation sensing wires. Have you meggered the windings by diconnecting AVR connections? Also, measure winding resistances. Measure DC excitation voltage at excitor field terminals. Give information about the recent maintenance or repair history to the alternator.

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Re: Brushless Alternator Problem

06/05/2013 2:39 AM

GA. I think solution for this problem is in the last sentence.

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Re: Brushless Alternator Problem

06/05/2013 2:03 AM

Testing of rotating rectifiers.

One presumes that the diodes and bridge rectifiers were tested with the machine stationary.

It may be that when under centrifugal forces that the component characteristic may alter. I have seen this occur several times over the years.

You may have to "shotgun" the rotating electronic components and replace every one.

I presume that the unit was or has been working and failed, not out of the box and not working.

so definitely a lost connection will cause your problem

Therefore is there any possibility that a conductor where bent [ if using rectangular strip ] has cracked and going open circuit ?

Has a joint on the stator winding connections broken, has a low micro ohm meter been used to check paths et al.

My bet is a rotating diode going open circuit under speed.

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Re: Brushless Alternator Problem

06/05/2013 12:32 PM

It is said....?!?

Next might be incantations.

While I do not recommend measuring in the rotating equipment, figuring the scant qualification there. Still, the AVR is available for measurements. What does that say, while running, that is.?

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Re: Brushless Alternator Problem

06/05/2013 12:40 PM

Hi naren 326.

Please by my own experiece, check the AVR electronic component too

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Re: Brushless Alternator Problem

06/21/2013 5:09 AM

I guess This is KEL alternator with 2 Excitation system working at a time 1) AVR and 2) Compounding Excitation.

Please Do following -

1. Bye pass the AVR by removing the Fuse on the AVR, Now generator will work only on the Compound excitation System, Measure the Voltage on the Terminals ( Main Opt Put Terminals, not the Intermittent Joints, as this generator will have Intermittent Joints) with Load Cables Disconnected. If the Voltage is above the Nomonal Voltage ( Name Plate Voltage) is compound System is working Fine. If the Voltage is Lower Than the Name Plate Voltage, Try to increase the Air Gap of the Compound Excitation Unit's E and I Core, the voltage build up will increase.

2. If the Terminal Voltage with Bye Passed AVR is above Name Plate Voltage, Adjust the Voltage By AVR, Remember to Put the Fuse in the AVR.

Causion - do not feedle with the Rheostat, it has been set to achieve the Voltage Regulation at Various Load Conditions.

I feel this can help you..

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06/27/2013 12:26 AM

Hi vishram lele, You are right that KEL made alternators have dual excitation system for alternators rating above 100 KVA. I came to know that the failure in AVR in KEL made alternator usually occurs when over-voltage than rated nominal voltage is appeared. Also, there are three knobs in AVR with transistor at the outer part. I think, the only replaceble part in AVR of KEL alternator is transistor. As you said that,there is fuse in KEL AVR. I can hardly find fuse. Also,the problem of half voltage is no more. I found that there was loose connection in between the compoubding transformers and bridge rectifier. None of the components was faulty.Now the alternator is working fine. Thanks to all for valuable suggestions.

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Re: Brushless Alternator Problem

06/27/2013 10:59 AM

Is the problem sorted out?

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Re: Brushless Alternator Problem

06/28/2013 12:03 AM

Yes, the problem is sorted out. As I already mentioned that, there was a loose connection between compounding transformer and bridge rectifier. I tightened the connections and run the alternator. Now,the alternator gives the rated output at rated rpm.

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