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Ammonia Plant Equipment Design Pressures and Temperatures

06/06/2013 11:00 AM

I would like to know the design pressures and design temperatures of all the precess equipment in ammonia plant. I have the operating pressures and temperatures but can't find the others.

Any one please help me out.

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Re: Ammonia plant equipment design pressures and temperatures

06/06/2013 11:13 AM

I defer to Mr Tornado

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06/06/2013 11:36 AM

Thanks.

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06/06/2013 11:16 AM

Have you looked anywhere besides here?

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06/06/2013 11:35 AM

In my storage boxes at home but the information I was looking for seems to be eluding me. Please help me out.

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06/06/2013 11:39 AM

The data needs to be stored carefully at the facility for immediate reference, not hidden away at someone's home!

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06/06/2013 11:38 AM

These things will be in the design documentation for that particular plant. Sadly, none of it can be seen from here.

As the plant ages, periodic insurance examinations will take place in the presence of the Engineer/Surveyor for the company providing burst indemnity insurance cover for it as witness. The records of those examinations, and the maximum working pressure assessment for the equipment at that time and from then to the next insurance examination, will be found therein. Sadly, none of it can be seen from here.

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06/06/2013 4:40 PM

Your question is quite complex, if answered in full. This is partly because the terms "design temperature/pressure" can have more than one meaning. I will follow up later with some partial information.

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06/10/2013 3:08 PM

Thanks for the response. I was looking for the vessels design pressures and temperatures. Like high temp shift operating pressure is 400 psig and exit temperature is 800 °F and low temp shift operating pressure and temp is 375psig and exit temperature is 450 °F so what are design pressures and the design temperature for both and the other vessels such as Methanator and including ammonia converter. I can add 50 °F and 15 psig or 10% to the pressures but actually I was looking for the design pressure and the temperatures by the vendors like, KBR, Topsoe and Uhde the major players in ammonia industry.

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06/10/2013 4:39 PM

I am not familiar with that range of operating conditions, which sound more like a manufacturing operation rather than refrigeration. This may be such a specialized area that general literature is hard to find.

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06/06/2013 11:43 PM

By ammonia plant, I take it that you mean a refrigeration facility rather than an ammonia manufacturing plant.

If so, the suction (or evaporating or low) side operating temperature will be about 10-15°F below the temperature to be maintained in storage spaces; the operating pressure then corresponds to the saturated suction temperature.

To accommodate the normal range of suction pressures, including when an idle system warms up, there is usually a standard low-side pressure that depends on local regulations and ambient conditions. In the U.S., the low side design pressure used to be 150 psig, but I think it is now 235 psig. The system piping is field-tested at this pressure, and vessels are hydrotested in the factory at 1.5x that pressure.

Similarly, the discharge (or condensing or high) side pressure may vary according to local conditions. In the U.S., high-side vessels are traditionally rated for 250 psig (hydrotested at 375 psig). The test pressure for high-side piping used to be 300 psig, but I think is now 235 psig, along with the suction.

There a fair bit of history behind this, which I leave aside for now.

Most compressors are rated around 400-450 psig, which is amply safe for the piping systems they serve, even if in a high ambient location that might require 300-350 psig or so. There are some special-purpose high-side booster application that get into this range.

The pressure relief valves are set no higher than the MAWP (maximum allowable working pressure) of the vessels they protect. High-pressure cutout switches are normally set around 80-85% of that. In turn, the normal operating pressure should be still lower by a similar margin. In particular, this will affect the condenser selection, typically water- or evaporative-cooled.

More can be said if needed, so please feel free to ask further.

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