Brain Tumors

Sorry for your loss, but I'd not jump to conclusions based on two cases in many thousands of cancer deaths.

Unless they both worked with radioactive materials, and had excess exposure, I'd remember the good times you and your brother had together and not stress over an unfortunate happenstance.

From a Mesa cancer survivor.

Sorry for your loss* but common causes are too many to search out without a much bigger sample. Doubtless they ate the same food played the same sports and drank the same Cola. The obviously lived/worked in the same vicinity, were subject to the same climate, atmosphere. The list is endless Mc Donalds or Cocacola is just as likely to be the culprit as working on old cars or computers...they both had mobile phones
What young male doesn't work on old cars? I bet the both had girlfriends too... there's the cause... girls... no good for you at all!
Del
(*I lost a brother a couple of years ago)

My condolences....

There are many different types of brain tumors, both primary(began in the brain) and secondary(began somewhere else in the body and spread to the brain)....You could spend several lifetimes, even if you specialized in this field, and not find any definitive cause...If you are young and want to use this as a motivational tool to enter research medicine, then by all means go for it, otherwise like the others have said, make a contribution if you like and move on....

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/brain-tumor/DS00281/DSECTION=causes

Sorry for your loss.

How old we're they?

After I was out of college, the first job we worked on computer screens quite extensively.

On a 14 hour day, we would be on the tube 12 of these hours. We were young and greedy for overtime

We actually discussed this how it's going to effect our eyes in the future and actually talked about eye cancer. What prompted this was an incident at work.

The radiation from the early screens where terrible. Our company tried to save Money and purchased (1) rebuilt screen I believe they were 20+ inch screens, to try out.

Our manager was a real arse, and appropriated the screen for himself, he worked on it for about 4 hours. And when we took a break, he turn around, and cruel as it was I started laughing at the same time very concerned. And told him he had to get off that screen. His face had a very sever sunburn from the screen, and where his glasses were, it was white around by his eyes and his glasses frames were on his face was white

It must have shielded it.

The radiation from the early screens where terrible.
No doubt! They were basically a large focal spot x-ray machine.

I'm sorry for your loss.

On another site, we lost a member to bile duct cancer, a very rare cancer. Two days later a famous member of a rock band died of the same thing and the administrator told us that another of our members was recovering from it. These anomalies are a statistical norm occasionally; snake eyes have a one in thirty six chance of being thrown but sometimes go on a lengthy run.

It is terrible to lose somebody.

We do not know nearly enough, to make definitive statements.

But, the theory of viral origin is still alive and kicking.

The spraying against indoor pests is in epidemological studies as a factor in illnesses, including cancer.

At the same time coincidence is not causation. And statistics at small samples can show wild fluctations.

My condolence to you.

It seems your hunch is that the old cars or the computers may have something to do with their cancer. It might be so but it will be problematic to prove. Why do you think there might be a connection?

Are you aware of anything they have done with their cars that not everybody would do? Some specific equipment they used? Chemicals that they played with?

If they have been excessivly using computers I would think there might be a clue but other than that I would disregard that thought since millions of people have an avarage usage of computers and are not affected.

Maybe a combination of some factors. As others said the whole environment has to be checked.

Chances are you never find out. There always gonna be a little doubt.

Intuition plays a big role in discoveries of causes that we most of the time overlook and you need to follow it. But if you follow up on this I hope you are not doing it in desparation of the fact that they are dead but to help others not to have the same faith.

I lost an uncle to lung cancer. He smoked dearly but had given up smoking 2 years before he came down with his demise.

PS Welcome to CR4 the personal social engineering service

That just sucks.

I hate to hear stories like this, it makes me worried and angry.

The cause of cancers (all types) gets little attention in my opinion; I rudimentarily believe there is too much money to be made in treatment; hence the lack of research by those who stand to gain.

I am very sorry for your loss.

All kids should undergo a full medical scan/check up around the age of 10 to determine any defects,abnormalities etc

My wife's sister contracted Glio Blastoma Multiforme, one of the worst forms of brain cancer. She was 55yers at that time, was an acadmic, an associate professor at a Yoga University in India. She lived the strict disciplined life of a yoga teacher and a vegetarian. Surprisingly she lived four years after the GBM was diagnosed (An outlier as per statistics for GBM). In the fifth year she contracted a totally different form of cancer of the spine. This was not a metastasis as confirmed by a detailed pathology analysis.

She survived even this for a year, which was also rare in its own case. She died a few months back a few days short of sixty.

Considering her lifestyle, there was nothing that could be related to the two different types of cancers she got.

We are just comiing to terms with what happened.

The fact that they were brothers gives them more of a statistical chance of having cancer at the same time than what they did. Genetics usually trumps occupation.

Brothers???

Where did that come from???

Re-read OP.

I'm not sure, Stupidity? lack of reading comprehension? Old age Confusion? I really can't think what I should blame it on.

I usually blame it on my wife.

First of all my hearty condolences.

I also lost my best friend of 56 years in intestine cancer. He was treated in Singapore for a month, had 3 chemo therapy sessions, so far so good but 4th session was bad and he passed away.

I lost my another friend an engineer having 6 small workshops. he developed lung cancer and died.

My other friend had tumor behind his nose, he survived it.

My ex boss had bone cancer at age of 70, he survived.

Cancer has become so common now days you hear many people suffer and spend their all life time savings, if they are lucky they survive or die. Is it due o changes in lifestyle? or mental pressure.

Dragonlady, my condolences and prayers are for your brother, his friend, you and all the families affected by their deaths. May the departed R.I.P..

My father passed away 14 years ago from Glio Blastoma Multiforme, a very aggressive and almost always fatal brain tumor.

Most likely there are no correlations between their lifestyles and getting a brain tumor. When my dad was diagnosed, the Neurosurgeon discussed the cancer and treatment options with my mom, my siblings and myself. I do remember that he stated that almost always with such a cancer a person's genetic makeup is usually the cause, not environmental causation.

My uncle (my dad's Brother-in-Law) also was afflicted with the very same cancer, but at a later stage in his life. Both were Dentists. Sometimes I wonder if the cancers were a result of x-ray exposure or working with Mercury (used for making fillings), an overly toxic heavy metal. I suppose we will never know.

Again, my condolences.

Sorry for your loss our condolences to you. I lost my dad and two aunts all in one year to liver Colan and intestinal cancer. The common thread to all of them they worked in a war plant operation using tri-chlorelethane for a cleaning agent to clean gears before final Assembly. Also almost lost an aunt on my mothers side who worked in the plant that manufactured the product they were using, she went in to have a check up and found first stages of the very same cancers. She told some of her other co-workers to get checked out AND WHAT DO YOU SUSPECT THEY FOUND they had the same types of the cancers, they also found out that several of their other friends that worked with them had died of the same types of cancer. She was a secretary not in manufacturing of the product so proximity of the product was not just using it breathing it in the air was enough to get exposure. She got lucky and caught it in time only after find out about my father and his siblings. Chemicals are not for the faint of heart. Duke

Excuse me, I meant "Thank you for the cancer statistics!" We lived in an area which is known to have cancer clusters, both on Long Island and in Phoenix. I don't believe that I'm jumping to any conclusions, but rather that I question relationships between like events. If my brother's friend had not been an associate of his, it would not have come into question as to whether their environment was at fault at all. I fully understand that there are too many variables in any circumstance. Why do we think, if not to question?

You may also like to read this. (Source http://www.cancer.org/cancer/non-hodgkinlymphoma/detailedguide/non-hodgkin-lymphoma-what-causes )

Lymphocytes (the cells from which lymphomas start) are immune system cells, so it's not surprising that changes in the immune system seem to play an important role in many cases of lymphoma.

• People with immune deficiencies (due to inherited conditions, drug treatment, organ transplants, or HIV infection) have a much higher chance of developing lymphoma than people without an immune deficiency.
• People with certain autoimmune diseases (where the immune system constantly attacks a certain part of the body) have an increased risk of getting lymphoma.
• People with certain chronic infections are also at increased risk, probably because the immune system is constantly making new lymphocytes to fight the infection, which increases the chances for mistakes in their DNA.

I have seen Non-Hodkin's Limphoma in children of age 10 and 18 two boys from same village near my city Gwalior, India. This seriously caused me to worry and there must be greater amount of Radioactivity in the soil or river sand or rock in that village.
I am also a Nuclear Scientist and a Health Physicist and has worked for more than 2 decades in Radiation Safety Research Lab. I am always looking for something that can be related to greater risk. Now that lots of work is being done in risk assessment and it is on the cancer society education sites, you can have your own study to learn much better.
Some people have risk their life and even became mentally ill thinking they run risk of cancer so any undue fear is also extremely bad way to live. There has been a case when a person was wrongly told about the cancer risk wen pillar to post to find the risk and anyone telling him that he has no risk only made him to go to new consultant and finally turned mentally ill. We may or we may not face cancer risk. If we do run into it then let us take it easy and do what doctors say. Normal living is something worth having it.

Look up Lorriane Day. She was a doctor that had stage 4 breast cancer. She refused traditional medical therapy that doesn't work. For the longest time they have only allowed dangerous drugs, cancer causing radiation, and surgery that only removes a sympton for a short time. So she changed her diet and lifestyle and was completely cured. Cancer can be cured. The medical profession doesn't want a cure. They make to much money on cancer. A little research will show what I'm saying to be true. But don't buy into the vegan diet. Vegan is not healthy. Meat, milk, eggs, cheese are important for good health. If they are homemade.

Leaving known breast cancer untreated leaves no chance to survival. 4th stage refers to when migration of malignant cells has already affected many other areas in the vicinity and perhaps also have a chance to reach the brain to form new tumors at number of places of similar type.

While in early stage, chemical therapy may be able to contain and shrink the tumor. However, leaving it to have its own course of growth or vanishing (very unlikely) can't be called a good decision.

Some breast cancers are curable by surgical methods as long as cells are localized. This may be the case with some women and also with some men (yes, men can also have breast cancer but it is rare).

It is true that not all people get best medical treatment and sometime people are actually get bad treatment. I still think that the best way is to accept medical advice from experts and sit with them and understand fully before coming to some conclusions.

You are right now a days medical profession is commercialised. Doctors are interested in making hell of money. They get their cuts from referring patients to consultants and from pathological labs for unnecessary tests or from hospitals for getting beds occupied.

About vegans you seem to be wrong. It is the meat which causes the diseases. It can be from sick animal, poultry or fish. So better to remain veg as far as possible.