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# 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/11/2013 12:40 PM

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I have a 2 phase (415V) welder load and installed transformer is Dyn11 (3 phase 6.6/0.415 KV); although load is just half the rating of the transformer but i would like to know the problems to the transformer & load if i run this load with two phases only (i.e. U-V) and W phase is left open. This is totally a unbalanced condition and no other loads can be connected to balance the phase as welder application is intermittent type 10-20 secs operation after 2-3 mins.

Also please suggest whether i have to ground the neutral or it can be left open. If neutral will be grounded i feel that large amount of current will flow to earth. Please help me resolving the above issue.

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### Re: 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/11/2013 2:43 PM

Why do you think current will flow to earth if your load is connected between two phases of a 3 phase system?

This will not have any deleterious effects on anything down stream of that transformer, because nothing else is connected. If something else were connected to the 3rd unused phase, there might be a voltage drop because of the heavy load on the other two, and that would have created a severe imbalance. If you had another 3 phase load connected to that transformer, it would definitely have a voltage imbalance and that may adversely affect that load.

Then on the line side of the transformer, there may be an imbalance issue depending on the total connected load on the primary, but without knowing anything else about the primary side and how much of a burden this transformer represents to it, there is no way to tell.

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### Re: 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/11/2013 8:45 PM

When your welding device is connected between 2 phase connections: you refer to U and V, than your transformer delivers power out of 1 phase and not 2 as you mention.

(in a delta configuration)

You give no explanation about Y or delta connection on the secondary. If you connect in delta, and your whole transformer is rated twice the power of your welding equipment, then this phase could be overloaded, resulting in warming up, heating up and eventually melting the copper windings. It all depends on how "continuous" you will charge the transformer. As far as your specs, the transformer will probably do the job.

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### Re: 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/12/2013 10:09 AM

When your welding device is connected between 2 phase connections: you refer to U and V, than your transformer delivers power out of 1 phase and not 2 as you mention.

Just FYI, elsewhere in the world, they refer to two-out-three phases as "2-phase" power. Here in North America we don't do that because we do actually have true 2 phase power still in some areas, it would be too confusing, as evidenced by what happens when we mix in forums like this.

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### Re: 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/12/2013 12:45 AM

The neutral must be grounded otherwise a phase to earth fault will go undetected until you get a second fault on another phase. Then things will go with a big bang!

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### Re: 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/12/2013 3:43 AM

Why is the third phase absent?

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### Re: 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/12/2013 10:09 AM

I want to know if the transformer is your own or government own electricity supply company?

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### Re: 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/14/2013 11:28 AM

Such unbalancing might cause negative sequence currents to flow in the transformer and might cause permanent core saturation. One solution could be to go for a three-phase/single phase, 415V/415V intermediate transformer, so that the welding machine can be connected to the single phase 415V secondary of this IT, whose 415V, 3-Phase Primary may be connected to the LV 415V side of your Dyn11 Trf. Thus, balancing on the three phases of the Dyn11 secondary could be achieved.

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### Re: 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/14/2013 2:05 PM

A LeBlanc transformer is the ideal solution.

How much money have you got?

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### Re: 2-Phase 415V Load Using 3-Phase Transformer (Dyn11)

07/15/2013 3:55 AM

Current flow to earth/ground constitutes a safety-related fault, which must be disconnected by the circuit protective device(s). The remedy is to isolate and remove the fault before re-energising.

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