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"Photonic Fence" Laser Wall Mosquito Defense

07/15/2013 6:04 AM

Hey fellow engineers, I now live in the north of Sweden where we typically have some really incredible quantities of mosquitoes. It's mind blowing really. Also midges as well that can leave a drip of blood going down your leg after they bite. They leave sores on your skin that can last for a couple weeks! I want something to protect my camp site when I go camping up north.
So I'm sure many of you have read about laser walls for killing insects before they can even get near you.


Here are some links for your reading so you know a bit what I'm trying to talk about:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito_laser
http://spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/gadgets/backyard-star-wars
http://www.intellectualventures.com/index.php/inventions-patents/our-inventions/photonic-fence
These ideas were mainly for protecting people against malaria.


I like the ideas that are described but they seem overly complicated to me. The idea of using cameras and tracking software seems like a lot of work to me, mainly because I'm a mechanical engineer. Also, I don't care what insect it is that is invading my camp site, I just don't want ANY insects flying into my face when I'm around my camp fire. Here, about 99% of the flying insects are either mosquitoes or midges.


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My idea is this. You have a small mirror mounted 45 degrees on a rotating shaft turned by a motor. There would be two lasers pointed at the mirror such that there is a low power high frequency (just say a hundred kilohertz for sake of concept) pulsed laser which is pointed at a slight angle with respect to the other high power laser such that once bounced off the mirror, the pulsed laser is in a slight advanced timing in comparison. You could encircle the lasers with sensitive photodetectors that are sensitive to that pulsed laser and use some clever programming or hardware filtering to pay attention to when it gets that 100 kilohertz signal in response. If it does, it tells the device that something is reflecting that signal. An accurate position sensor could be used to tell not to fire straight into the ground or wall or whatever.
Since the mirror is rotating at a known velocity and the angular difference is known the timing is also known. If rotating fast enough, the difference in time shouldn't be enough for the insect to fly past the laser. From what I read, even if you just clip a wing or leg, it might be enough to disable the mosquito. I'm sure you could optimize the laser wavelengths such that the wavelength for the sensing laser is more reflective off the insect and the power laser absorbs well on the insect.


I did some math to see how easy this would be for a laser could do this in concept:
Please give a polite correction if you think the concepts are wrong. Knowing that mosquitoes only fly top speed of about 0.55 m/s and are 5mm long and maximum weigh about 2.5 mg we can figure some things out. The "interception time" would be how long it takes to travel one body length at max speed (0.09 seconds).

The minimum RPM of the rotating laser to catch every insect would be the reciprocal times 60 seconds. (660 rpm). That seems easy.
Assuming the mosquito body is about 2mm wide and is flying perpendicular to the wall and is also 2 meters away, the laser angle for the above numbers would be about 0.05 degrees and the contact time would be 14.5 microseconds.
At first I thought that in order to kill them quickly the laser would have to boil them. I knew the heating would be incredibly uneven due to the high power, short time and low thermal conductivity but I wanted to check anyways. I checked my heat transfer textbook and did some calculations to see how uneven the heating would be. The duration of time is so fast and the power is so high that the surface of the insect would become very hot and the inside cold so the delta T would be very high. The IEEE article above says that only a few tens of millijoules is enough to kill the insect with enough time after the laser pulse due to "heat stroke." I calculated to heat the insect 40C higher than ambient (say lowest ambient is 10C) it would take ~4 joules which is way too much for a small cheap laser in 14 microseconds. But assuming IEEE is right, maybe 100 mJ is enough to kill it. In that case, only a 7 watt laser is needed for 14 microseconds. A 1 watt laser could pulse 7 watts for short periods of time. It should be enough to burn wings off at least if hit.


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Blinding people and animals is obviously a concern. We could use the same ultrasonic range finder devices used in car parking sensors. Those are pretty cheap. Mount those on your devices. Once you set up your laser wall, you calibrate them to "tell" your programmable module that anything closer than these range values is considered something that shouldn't be there, whether it's a person, your pet or a car. Since the laser is in a plane, it should be relatively safe as long as nothing is reflected into someone's eyes. Also, a "shake" sensor could easily be implemented in case something is bumped slightly so it automatically turns off if it is moved. Obviously, I don't want it bumped and burning tiny holes into my tent or face! Also, a simple remote control to turn it on and off would be easy to implement.



I'd like to know what you guys think about this idea! If it sounds feasible, I'd be interested in working with someone in order to make a working prototype. When it comes to building things, I'm pretty good but I'm lacking in the electrical engineering aspect of things.

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07/15/2013 6:33 AM

Therefore, if you can observe safety precautions-particularly wearing goggles at all times if there's a chance of a stray beam-the best option may be a visible or near-infrared diode laser, or perhaps an older flashlamp-pumped laser. (SSY-1 flashlamp-pumped neodymium-doped yttrium aluminum garnet lasers, which can put out about one mosquito-lethal pulse a second, are often available on eBay for around $100.) Of course,making your guests wear FDA-approved goggles may put a crimp in your barbecue, but so would a cloud of thirsty mosquitoes.

I'm slightly puzzled. Apart from the above, what might happen when I sit near the device scrunching my beer can ? Might I refocus the beam and blind someone or drop a plane ?

Laser techniology in malaria prone countires ? I think not, they are usually pretty impoverished. Most gadgets I've seen rely on the mozzies use of CO2 to track a food source (lure them in then zap them type thing)- it certainly works, but I've never found out if that actually atracts more of the pests. Would it not be better to elinminate stagnant water and other such places they like ? An electric fan might be more cost effective.

Sorry to sound harsh, but you say any insects - are they not part of an ecosystem that you are invading ? No intent to be negative, I understand the hell of a mosquitto plagued camping spot, just trying to stir the pot for some more input on this. Last visit to scotland I resorted to draping a net curtain over my head (with a small hole cut in it so that I could smoke). Loggers I've met swear by a beauty product called 'Skin-so-Soft'. For whatever reason it seems to be quite a good repellent.

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07/15/2013 6:45 AM

Sure, I know it's dangerous. I would try to make the system so that there is nothing in in plane with the laser walls so there is little to no chance of reflection. Charred mosquitoes aren't very reflective :D The fence would also be meters away from people.

I'm not sure if it's obvious how many biting insects there can be in the arctic. If you stand still even in a breeze, there could literally be hundreds of them landing on you. It takes a hella strong wind to keep them all away (even if it's only 10C outside). I think I've killed at least 5 with one swat of my hand.

The ecosystem here has billions of mosquitoes. I'm pretty sure that killing 0.000001% of them with a laser won't do any harm since I'm sure that 90% of the mosquitoes starve to death anyways as there are only very few animals. But going camping here means that you can't remove all standing water, because it's everywhere and it's a new place each time.

But as for the feasibility of this idea, what do you think?

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07/15/2013 9:33 AM

..there is the seed of an idea, though 'star wars' in the back garden sounds a bit extreme. As luck would have it, or not, I will be soon be visiting Scotrland (a place sililarly plagued), and will make a menatal note to see what the latest is.

First impression, the idea is way too hi-tech. IMHO we seem to have skipped a step - why are mozzies there in the first place. Iffing a sooper-dooper mozzie killer was devized, would that do any more than enable the wealthier of us to have a pest free holiday. Is the notion an addition to enable rich folk to enjoy camping, or is it a world changing concept. With due respect, it strikes me as a concept to help rich folk go on holiday.

Offhand, I have no idea where the worst places are for mosquitoes, but I'm fairly sure that laser will not be on the list of possible solutions. Quote from an American repoter in Africa ( I've long lost the original source) : "My god, these people don't even have toilet paper". Yes, quite. My heart is bleeding for the poor western people who are rather inconvinienced by mozzies. I've no wish to trounce an idea, but........

Ther subject is very good, but it seems to miss the poi

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07/15/2013 11:07 AM

Yeah, that's the purpose exactly in my case! To make it easier for spoiled rich Americans and Europeans enjoy a good old camping trip haha. All the articles I found were all about benefiting people who live in these malaria plagued areas, but I'm sorry to say I'm being rather selfish. I need projects like this to keep sane, because I love building things. It sounded like a fun project! :)

I thought my idea was as simple as could be in comparison to the ideas posted in other articles. I also think it's silly to use cameras and tracking systems for mosquitoes lol.

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07/16/2013 4:05 AM

Why don't you complete your BMW rust protection first ?

Have you tried mosquito repellant, or burning a mosquito mat?

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07/16/2013 4:11 AM

haha, the conclusion of that forum thread was that nothing could be done additionally besides "traditional" maintenance.

Yes, we used a lot of repellant. But nothing will block 100%, and even if you did somehow repel 99% that would still be hundreds of mosquitoes. I don't think I've ever felt like I'd go crazy because of bugs before I went on that trip!

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07/15/2013 8:19 AM

Take it from an old swamp dweller, you can't beat this stuff.....!

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07/15/2013 8:58 AM

Oh I'm well aware of the stuff :) I'm from the part of Ohio (NW) that used to be the "Black Swamp" and there are still parts that are very swampy and filled with mosquitoes. In Sweden you can get the DEET spray or DEET sticks (like a deodorant stick). It works in that it usually keeps 90% of them from biting you, but it doesn't keep bugs from your food or buzzing around your face in your eyes and ears and nose! Basically, just to keep the literally thousands of mosquitoes swarming your body from biting you, you have to put more DEET on you or your clothes every hour or so.

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07/15/2013 12:10 PM

Well I usually fog the place first, early in the AM, just before sunrise.....

http://garden.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Mosquito_Fogger

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07/16/2013 6:22 AM

When the mosquitoes are so thick that chemical warfare falls short, then go with protective clothing, and the Off...These people are just modeling the product, but the hands need to be covered as well....

http://www.bugbaffler.com/

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07/16/2013 9:05 AM

Off! they also have a belt clip on for those who wish not to spray themselves. The whole laser thing sounds like a terrible waste of energy. Why not ask Odin to send Thor to loan you his hammer?

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07/16/2013 9:11 AM

Oh come on, 7 watts for 14 microseconds per bug? :) That's nothing! You could power that with a couple AA batteries. And for the occasional camping trip that's no matter :)

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07/15/2013 9:50 AM

I suggest lavender and catnip.....assuming you're willing to replenish a good rub a couple of times an hour

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07/15/2013 11:10 AM

An interesting home remedy! I've heard of using some kinds of ferns as well. That works in Ohio for whatever reason. I've even noticed in forests with tons of ferns you'd have literally no mosquitoes. Rub some on your skin, then you wouldn't be bothered much for the rest of the day.

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07/15/2013 9:56 AM

Being surrounded by walls wouldn't keep mosquitoes out. You would also need a laser ceiling.....

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At that point, it would be far more simple and reliable to forgo the laser tent for a tent made of mosquito netting.... perhaps your innovation could be a way to safely have your campfire in the middle.

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The reduced expense, reduced complexity, reduced danger, and lack of reliance on a power source; make an enclosure made of mosquito excluding netting a far better solution in my book.

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07/15/2013 11:08 AM

Yeah, but where's the fun in that? :D From what I read, very few mosquitoes fly higher than about 2 meters. Why would they have to if they don't see any obstacles? For my idea to work, there could potentially be no limit to the height that you could attain. Well, within reason of course. 4 or 5 meters seems fairly reasonable for a laser to work and they say no mosquitoes fly higher than that :)

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07/16/2013 1:36 AM

... but unless your laser or reflector is equally high, then you will be firing your 7 watt bursts at varying angles into the sky in at least two directions.....

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Pilots get pretty grumpy about that kind of thing.... and your range is likely to be reasonably far, unless I misunderstand your idea.

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07/16/2013 3:31 AM

I guess that's true since not every bug would be hit directly. Up this far north past the arctic circle, I don't think I saw even one airplane on a 5 day trip. It of course doesn't mean they weren't there, it's just I never observed them. In what ways would a laser interfere with an airplane?

By the time it gets to 10 or 12k meters, I imagine it would be significantly attenuated but still enough to be annoying. Most cheap lasers though end up being quite large at some distance. I remember playing with a cheap laser and pointing it on a big white wall a few hundred meters away. It was clearly a much larger dot far away than up close. If you purposefully made it ever so slightly out of focus, 10 km away it could be completely insignificant background noise.

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07/15/2013 1:47 PM

Sir ,

With mosquito coil being burnt in minutes - ie by placing it above the electric heater based oven or by other means for quick burning - inside the room , with closed condition for 3 minutes (time based on spacious area ) ; we can get rid of them .

The fact is - after three minutes , you please open the door and windows of the room with running fan so that visibility and smell becomes normal . Witness the burning of coil in such a way that the event won't turn different . After ensuring this , you may walk out and come in momentarily - for verification .

First time , you may be puzzled to perform and await . The result is good and evergreen . Let this be for your references , please . Regards .

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07/15/2013 11:15 PM

Try this:


Modern technology has brought us many benefits, including mosquito traps that cost hundreds of dollars, but sometimes we overlook simple solutions to difficult challenges such as mosquito control. When it comes to controlling pests, research tends to focus on chemicals or concepts that can be patented. Unless someone can make a profit from an idea, the public may never become aware of it.

HOMEMADE MOSQUITO TRAP:

Items needed:

200 ml water
50 grams of brown sugar
1 gram of yeast
2-liter plastic bottle

Or US conversion:
1 cup of water
1/4 cup of brown sugar

HOW:
1. Cut the plastic bottle in half.
2. Mix brown sugar with hot water. Let cool. When cold, pour in the bottom half of the bottle.
3. Add the yeast. No need to mix. It creates carbon dioxide, which attracts mosquitoes.
4. Place the funnel part, upside down, into the other half of the bottle, taping them together if desired.
5. Wrap the bottle with something black, leaving the top uncovered, and place it outside in an area away from your normal gathering area. (Mosquitoes are also drawn to the color black.)

Change the solution every 2 weeks for continuous control.

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07/16/2013 3:33 AM

Great idea, but your image doesn't show up. I can picture what you described though and that's probably worth a shot. I was thinking of making a propane burning catcher device similar to what you can buy but that would take a lot more effort of course.

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07/16/2013 12:07 AM

How about figuring out how much air movement those mozzies can tolerate? I grew up in the Tropics and noticed on nights when the wind blew, the bite ratio diminished significantly.. Maybe just a big ole fan? Or a big ole ShopVac? One way or the other...

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07/16/2013 3:41 AM

Yeah, the nice thing about here is that it's often windy in a lot of places. We ended up sleeping in the car, because that was bug proof. It literally took only 1 minute for a massive swarm of bugs to find us once the door was open. You had that 1 minute time window to get in and out of the car.

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07/16/2013 3:46 AM

What happened to the whole "let's build things not because it's necessary but because it's cool" thing?! :D I mean, we didn't have to travel to space but we has a human race still decided to do it.

Ok, this is EXACTLY like how the mosquitoes are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4xcwopO4Q8

They can easily be that bad. I thought I've seen bad mosquitoes in Ohio, Michigan and upstate NY near Canada, but wow. This is easily an order of magnitude worse. As far as I know there are no bats or any significant predators to mosquitoes or midges so they just reproduce like crazy.

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07/16/2013 7:40 AM

Here's how we take care of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-SZ20t4ld8

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07/16/2013 4:52 PM

After dealing with mosquitos in Alaska with 'Cutter's' deet based repellent I thought I'd seen the worst, but that video has me convinced I don't want to go there to contribute blood.

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07/16/2013 12:16 PM

I will need to check out the mosquito trap. That intrigues me.

Another method is to use a tried and true black light zapper with a mosquito lure. The light will attract the miges and the lure will attract the mosquitoes.

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