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Electric Motor Liquid Starter

08/10/2013 4:30 AM

Hello;

I want to know the principle of operation of a liquid starter. I know that its just adding resistance to rotor circuit so as to reduce the current drawn during startup but what happens to the resistance when we are dipping the dippers in the liquid. I have seen a motorized liquid starter where the dippers will be dipped into the liquid on starting and then a shorting contactor will be energised when the dippers are fully emersed in the liquid but am now confused on what will be happening to the rotor resistance.

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Re: Electric Motor Liquid Starter

08/10/2013 6:34 AM

The shorting contactor simply bypasses the resistance of the liquid, leaving only the resistance of the motor windings. Less resistance = more current; i.e., full load current for delivering full power to the motor.

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08/10/2013 7:50 AM

Ok, so if the dippers are out of the liquid, does it mean that we are addding the resistance of the liquid?

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08/10/2013 7:57 AM

Of course not.

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Re: Electric Motor Liquid Starter

08/10/2013 5:07 PM

The control electrodes don't come out of the electrolyte. Even with the electrodes at the top position a base current passes through the rotor electrodes and the electrolyte partly shorting the rotor.

To completely open circuit the rotor is liable the result in slip-ring flashover due to excess voltage tracking through carbon dust build up.

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08/10/2013 11:33 PM

The liquid electrolyte functions as a resistor.When cold, the resistance is high.As the motor starts,the temperature of the electrolyte rises,and as a result,the resistance of the electrolyte decreases.A timer actuates the shorting contacts at a pre-determined time,according to the requirements of the motor.

The electrolyte is potable water with a chemical additive to adjust the resistance of the liquid.There is usually an oil film on top to prevent evaporation and resultant concentration of the electrolyte.There are also on some systems, a level alarm and floats

for maintaining level.

Hope this helps.

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08/11/2013 8:23 AM

Addendum to previous post:

To get an understanding of the working principle, try this experiment.

Put some distilled water in a glass and measure the resistance with a digital meter.

It will be very high.

Now add a little salt.The resistance will decrease.The more salt, the lower resistance.

If you have a very tall glass,and long electrodes,you can see the resistance change with the immersion depth of the electrodes.This works like the moving electrode type starter,with a variable speed motor for movement.Some, however, have fixed electrodes.The type chosen depends on the requirements of the motor and load.

If you heat this solution, the resistance will decrease.The hotter it gets, the lower the resistance.This results in higher current to the motor,which increases with temperature.This gives a very soft start and reduces stress on motor and load.

In practice, they use sodium carbonate,not salt,because salt can produce chlorine gas,which is deadly and very corrosive.

I used salt for this illustration because it is readily available, and a DVOM does not pass enough current to produce chlorine.Hope this helps your understanding.

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08/11/2013 12:33 AM

a liquid starter, or soda water starter as I know them, were the original "soft starter" limiting the current on start up, once the motor has started the resistance was gradually reduced, increasing current to the rotor and finally a contactor would short out the resistance, allowing full load current.

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08/11/2013 8:21 AM

Hi Brich;

The soda water starter is the one am talking about. The one I saw has got some dippers which are connected to a shaft which is moved bt another small motor. As the motor is started, those dippers will be dipped in water as the shaft will be moving. My question now is how is the resistance of the soda water together with dippers connected to the rotor. You can open the following link, it has the liquid starter which is exactly the same as the one am talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E6pWxgunAA

Hope you will help me

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08/12/2013 1:00 PM

The liquid resistor starter is introduced in high current starting motors to reduce the starting toque hence to avoid motor run away, when the rotor resistance is low or absoliutely closed at zero potential like in small induction motors the starting toque or starting speed is very high, when we first introduce a load by creating liquid resistance or buffer resistance to the rotor resistance, on charging the stator the rotor winding produce power thus it create aload to the stator and restrict the starting toque as the motor accelerates to its oparation speed and toque when we achive the speeds at stages of accelaration we reduce the rotor resistance by use of contactor swith gear to short resistance at stages untill the motor is left with only running rotor resistance.

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