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a_m_shiha
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Fiscal Metering

09/06/2013 5:27 PM

is the term fiscal metering is used only for gas or also liquied hydrocaron need some sort of flow computer to be calculated?

what is the different between flow meter that is used for normal flow measure and the one used for fiscal metering? do we use the same criteria to select the flow instrument?

also I need general spec or standard that speaks about this issue
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09/06/2013 5:31 PM

Did you bother to search?

If so, you would have found About 956,000 results.

Just type the title of your elementary request into any search engine.
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09/06/2013 5:38 PM

Sounds like "homework"...

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09/06/2013 5:38 PM

"custody transfer" is another term
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09/06/2013 9:19 PM

Fiscal metering is not a term that is understood in the US...particularly within government.

When the money's gone, we open a new multi-billion dollar department to figure out where it went. We fill that department with unionized workers that are able to retire at the age of 45, with free healthcare and pension money for the rest of their lives.

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09/06/2013 10:32 PM

Speaking of government stupidity, I wonder how many more of these we don't know about?

More...
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09/06/2013 10:57 PM

The list is endless.

They might as well put that plane in the Smithsonian, as a reminder of the bygone days when we were fighting communism.

...it appears as if we have completely embraced it; peacefully.

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Re: Fiscal Metering

09/07/2013 10:07 PM

Fiscal metering is when the flow rate (or total mass/volume transferred) is measured for the sake of a business transaction. The term is applicable to *any* salable product, be it gas, liquid, or even solid. For example, I once worked at an aluminum smelter where we used a weighfeeder to measure the amount of alumina powder transferred off the cargo ship and into our storage vessels as part of the transaction.

Accuracy is extremely important for fiscal metering, as one might expect. Not only are the buyers and sellers both interested in a fair exchange, but usually there is some governmental body that wants to tax the transaction and therefore has a stake in knowing precisely how much product was exchanged. When selecting a flowmeter for fiscal metering, it is important to control all the variables impacting measurement accuracy. A good example of this is the American Gas Association's standard #3 for natural gas flow measurement ("AGA 3") which specifies criteria for design, installation, and operation of orifice-based flowmeters. Other flowmeter types such as turbine meters are covered by different AGA standards; for example AGA 7 for turbine flowmeters and AGA 9 for ultrasonic flowmeters.

Flow computers are absolutely necessary for some flowmeter types which are affected by variables such as the pressure and temperature of the fluid. For other types of flowmeters (e.g. Coriolis) which measure true mass flow by nature, the only task of a flow computer would be to integrate the flow rate over time to calculate total mass passed through the meter.

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09/08/2013 3:51 AM

thank you very much
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09/08/2013 9:00 AM

See "bookkeeping", or as I like to call myself..."Company Monetary Engineer" (CME)

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09/09/2013 9:31 AM

Fiscal Metering is when you measure liquids, solids, gases and vapors for accounting purposes.

The types of metering are many and diverse.

As to the specs go to your country or international standards and they will define what you need.

Generally many companies will charge for the engineering to develop the specs you request and it would be unfair to them to just hand it over.
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09/09/2013 11:24 AM

Adding to tonykuphaldt's very good answer ,I will like to add that what is bought and sold is not just a quantity of the transaction but also the quality.

When you buy /sell gas what you are buying is the heating value.

So many times you will see BTU analyzer etc.

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09/09/2013 3:48 PM

Yes, and at least around these parts, when it is gas being consumed the fical metering is referred to as "ROC" for natural gas (I am not sure why), and when the material is raw oil out of the ground it is referred to as L.A.C.T. (for legal actual custody transfer).

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02/04/2015 6:54 PM

"ROC" may come from the popularity of Fisher-brand ROC (Remote Operations Controller) controller units used in remote wellsites to monitor variables, including custody transfer out of the ground. A lot of weird terms I've stumbled across in industry seem to originate from brand and model names of equipment (sometimes even after those brands and models have long since disappeared).

For what it's worth the pulp & paper industry seems to be one of the worst in this regard.

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