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Are We Losing Our Edge?

11/03/2013 4:51 PM

Japan pokes its head into space with a space cannon for asteroid research. why does this not sit so easy with mehttp://www.space.com/23320-japan-test-fires-space-cannon-hayabusa2.html

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11/03/2013 5:10 PM

Good ole space exploration is always used as an excuse to develop weapons systems.

Don't worry...whatever they come up with will be aimed at China. Things are getting a bit tense between the two.

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11/03/2013 5:16 PM

they wouldnt alter the course of an asteroid to hit their pals, would they? jk

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11/03/2013 5:22 PM

Who takes supplies to the Space Station?

Who sells rides into inner space?

Even Red Bull's in the game with their supersonic jumper.

So, the U.S. Government had lost it's edge, maybe.

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11/03/2013 5:48 PM

We're about $17 trillion past the edge.

It's not necessary.

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11/03/2013 5:53 PM

its not real money, we can just print more

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11/03/2013 5:57 PM

We're not printing it anymore; at least not for QE. It's all digitized, and done with mouse clicks. $87 billion a month, with no end in sight.

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11/03/2013 7:08 PM

Well for one thing we already did this on a comet, remember "deep impact" the probe not the movie.....

I might add that these are collaborative efforts....

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11/03/2013 7:37 PM

We gave up the space thingy years ago in order to be a more fair country - so we just canceled all the programs.

Well, we still make plans for things, but no one takes them seriously and there is no budget for anything anyway as we slowly dismantle NASA. However, there is still some good news. We will still keep the part of NASA that publishes stuff on Global Warming.

The ISS is set to be de-orbited in 7 years and after that we will have no more need to boost people to LEO or beyond anyway. Hollywood now has all those contracts.

This paves the way for 16 billion dollars a year to be spent on the war on poverty, which we are losing badly right now and have still no exit plan.

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11/03/2013 7:43 PM

its hard to respond and remain unpolitical , it just bothers me to see the crash diet our programs have gone on. this should have been an American mission

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11/03/2013 10:43 PM

There is an engineer from my old haunts that was obsessed with using ballistic power to launch satellites. He had worked a little for the right side but money kept being withdrawn from his ideas. he was welcomed by Iraq and helped them develop rockets and of course his giant gun. He always just wanted to launch a satellite using a big gun. His service was for sale and may have been used for good, cheap launches of satellites. It all ended tragically for Gerald Bull. I am not sure what he could have done but for sure there will always be corrupt people who will want to develop any good idea for bad results. Even Einstein would know the results of bad use of ideas. Good on the Japanese. I hope they use their new found technology for the better. Any idea is worth developing but we need to focus on the good. Unfortunately, too much money is still available for bad ideas.

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11/03/2013 7:45 PM

IMO, Using the pretext of spending money on a war on poverty actually has the opposite effects.

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11/03/2013 7:50 PM

Not to mention the unjustified, unfunded, murderous wars started by Bush/Cheney.

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11/03/2013 8:15 PM

Bush/Cheney was not alone.......... Were they!

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11/03/2013 8:33 PM

No one else on the planet could have taken us into those wars.

They killed thousands and spent trillions. With no plan nor intent to ever finance it, except to print more money, or find a way to pay for it except on our backs, our children's backs and our grandchildren backs, etc.

Cheney even said publicly that the deficit didn't matter.

Is the world better off?

Are we better off?

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11/03/2013 8:36 PM

The answer is no we are not better off, but you are wrong, bush/Cheney could not do it alone, they needed bipartisan support.

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11/03/2013 8:47 PM

Let me repeat, no one else on the planet could have started the wars. Sane people, even bipartisan politicians would not have been so arrogant, nor stupid.

Can I assume you think it was a good idea to have started the war.

I assure you that without Cheney/Bush beating the war drums, this NEVER would have happened.

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11/04/2013 7:39 AM

No you can't assume that.

imo, People tend to forgot on the basic reason there was a war and instead turn it into political fodder

It would have been a lot simpler if the United Nation had the Leadership and the balls to enforce the requirement for U.N. Inspection of Iraq from Saddam Hussein surrender in the first gulf war for his WMD's.

Instead without the inspection and war coming, Syria gained chemical weapons technology, and no one knew what was going on, and by his history Iraq had chemical weapons.

This country, (that by the way was bipartisan) , as well as 50+ other nations believe d that to be true.

But it would have been interesting to see what would have happened, if there was no war, and with the culture in the middle east, would have seen it as isolationism, of what would have happened.

But like you post, that would just be speculation.

But, the difference between Bush/Cheney and Obama/Biden, Bush/Cheney for the best or worst, at least took ownership of their responsibility.

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11/03/2013 10:51 PM

Those wars were expensive, but dwarfed by the expenditures of the current administration. Let's not forget that the current administration has doubled the national debt since President Bush left office and that has little to do with the wars in the Mid East.

The root problem with the Afghanistan and Iraq wars was the selection of the generals to prosecute them were not the best we had. The consequences resulted in the mess we saw and it was not until the "surge" did we start to see things turn around. However, we completely misunderstood the Shiite-Sunni dynamics within Iraq as well as the consequences to the regional balance of power.

While the plan was poorly conceived, the real purpose was to topple Iran. The theory was that if Afghanistan and Iraq were to become democracies that this would pressure Iran into regime change that would also become a democracy (or at least a state that would surrender its dreams of expanding its regional powers).

As stupid as this may sound, most of the Mid-East was hopeful that it would succeed as well. Iraq and Iran always kept each other in check, but the real fear was what Iran would ultimately become the dominant Mid East power.

No doubt Saddam was a horrible person. His mentor was Stalin, so while the US may have created a huge collateral damage with the war, Saddam was no better to his own people. Saddam simply created a convenient set of excuses to initiate regime change and possibly reshape the geopolitical power structure of the region.

The problem with the Mid East wars is that people tend to view them through the prism of their own politics. Your post, in my opinion, simply punctuates this. However, if you look at what the real end game was about you would realize that while the goal was noble, the reality of achieving that goal was grossly misunderstood.

In the end that transcends political parties as both signed on to the same idea of regime change and the subsequent pressure it would put on Iran, but does not stop people from demonizing their political adversaries.

The lesson learned here is that it is far more difficult to achieve the intended results than we would like to believe. Such are the uncertainties of geopolitics.

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11/03/2013 11:18 PM

Well, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics.

There's also no way the current administration, no matter what you think of it, can be held responsible for the mess we're in.

Contributing to it? OK. The cause, no way.

It's Not Obama's Debt

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11/04/2013 7:31 AM

"There's also no way the current administration, no matter what you think of it, can be held responsible for the mess we're in."

Yes they can. Here is why…

In the corporate world, when a new CEO takes over a company all the problems become theirs. That is what they signed on to when they took the job, for better or worse.

This is called taking responsibility.

When President Obama took his oath of office for the first time, all of the country's problems from the past became his problems. That is what he signed on for when he took the job.

The main difference between the CEO of a company and the current President of the United States is that CEOs don't go in front of the board of directors and whine and complain about all the problems his/her predecessor left them. If they did they would be promptly fired and replaced with someone else.

Other than that, it is exactly the same thing.

As far as the government doubling our national debt over the last 5-6 years goes, I say that it very wrong.

Both Mid East wars probably cost a total over the last 12 years an estimated $3 to $4 trillion. This is not trivial, but still only accounts for about 1/3 of the debt increase over the last 6 years.

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11/04/2013 8:27 AM

To continue your CEO analogy...

CEOs get changed out like dirty underwear. I think what a lot of people are forgetting, is that the government, (company), is a single entity, and the citizens of the US are not worker bees, whose purpose is to serve the company.

...we are shareholders, and the company is there to serve us. The entire entity must be reined in, and as shareholders, we have a responsibility to ourselves to demand it.

Blaming current or former CEOs gets us nowhere...the entity itself remains a dysfunctional mess.

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11/04/2013 8:40 AM

"When President Obama took his oath of office for the first time, all of the country's problems from the past became his problems"

Indeed they did.

Just as the huge treasury surplus left over by Bill Clinton became Bush's treasure chest to fetter away on tax breaks for the rich, that did nothing to stimulate the economy, and instead just went into the billionaire's bank accounts, and the unfunded wars he and Shooter Cheney led us into.

We both know that running this government is nothing at all like running a business. That's just plain folly and I don't think you really believe that. If that were true very, very few politicians now in office would be there!

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11/04/2013 8:49 AM

Do we need to go to the breakroom?

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11/04/2013 8:51 AM

We have strayed, I guess.

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11/04/2013 10:35 AM

I agree that this thread has completely strayed off topic. In this recent rant on which administration caused the most debt and how should a government be run there has not been even the faintest attempt at tyeing these opinions to an edge we should or should not have in space or any other high technology.

Stop whining like spoiled brats.

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11/04/2013 10:39 AM

its my Constitutional right to be spoiled

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11/04/2013 10:43 AM

It may be,

But at what times does this country gain the most technological advancements................i.e. bring back the 'edge'.

I'll answer that, during war. But this war is very different.

What they should do, is instead of paying for it through taxes, is to sell war bonds.......... that would be interesting to see how or were the returns will be coming from.

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11/04/2013 9:58 AM

You wrote, "We both know that running this government is nothing at all like running a business."

I call bunk.

Running a large corporation or running the country both require leadership, vision, and the charisma to build and move a coalition toward that vision.

It's the same job; both are problem solving jobs and require the same skill sets.

The rest of the political banter on who did what has no value added to this conversation and is better left alone.

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11/04/2013 10:02 AM

Running this government SHOULD be like running a business.

Eisenhower was probably the last president who actually did that.

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11/04/2013 10:19 AM

If one knew more about economics which none of us really do, I don't believe you would have said that, It's true that Eisenhower was more interested in a balanced budget with no deficit that economic growth.

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Running this government SHOULD be like running a business.

And one reason why is this, the differences between businesses and governments, do your really believe that business would keep and expand programs with 0 returns on investments..... governments should have a safety net, it just that this net is increasing in size and becoming very unmanageable.

One should learn more about economic, because a balanced budget can impede growth, while a controlled and managable deficit is actually better for the economy......

But here is more to the balanced budget of Ike, And (off official records) if Ike had to do it over again, he would have ran a small deficit instead........ But since he was a man of integrity, since he said would he balanced the budget, he did, because that's what he said he would do.

And to discuss this farther should be taken up in the break room.

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11/04/2013 10:38 AM

not quite. corporations are responsible for jobs, taxes, etc. but they exist to generate profit! whats going on DC is about forcing a social agenda onto the sheep

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11/04/2013 10:43 AM

Same skill sets required for its leadership, which is what we are discussing, not their functions as an entity.

As far as the function of the entity these leaders run, it does not really matter, but they do differ, just as Home Depot differs from GE or the New York Jets.

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11/04/2013 11:10 AM

I enjoy the discussion topic .just not in this forum

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11/04/2013 11:15 AM

maybe this topic was started in the wrong forum?

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11/04/2013 11:17 AM

I think the space exploration and the tech involved to make it happen are squarely in the correct place, its all the Washington stuff thats made for another venue

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11/04/2013 11:32 AM

That's a hard one to separate,......... If you have any suggestion would be interesting.....

Our own Space Program would never really have gotten off the ground when it did, if it wasn't for the backing in Washington......... Mainly JFK.

And a lot of that backing had to do with prestige........ This country always work best if there was competition....... in the case for 'space', it was the 'First to do it' against the Russians.

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11/04/2013 11:29 AM

I'm done.

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11/03/2013 8:10 PM

Edge? Who ever thought society in the US gave us a scientific edge? The only edge we ever briefly held was from being the last industrial society left relatively unscathed by WWII. The most fundamental tenant of modern Biology is the concept of Evolution. Everywhere else Evolution is widely accepted. Here we have to debate with local and state school boards if Evolution can even be discussed because some local clerics are offended with the concept.

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11/03/2013 8:20 PM

Not to mention, the German scientist and engineers the US received/got from the spoils if war, as well as the technology prior and during the war we received from England and the hopes for involvement.

No doubt we also received and had the monopoly of the gold after the war because we were virtually unscathed.......

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11/04/2013 7:50 AM

ah come on. we would have eventually come up with swept wings and rockets that didn't blow up up on the pad without pimping German tech

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11/04/2013 8:07 AM

Yes, eventually........

when you look at the break through and the similarity of technology advancement, there is no superior race or nation,...... the only advantages would be the environment.

A good example, When the former USSR and the US were developing the space shuttle, initially it was thought that the Russians stolen our idea on the design of it, because both were similar looking.......When in fact, Both the USSR and the US actually came to the same conclusion, separately for the best design.

It wasn't only German Tech 'pimped', It was also the English Tech, (Radar, Jet Propulsion, etc.....), This cut years off our development costs........,

but once we had the technology, we, were able to build it ........ cheaper. An example of this is the Magnatron on the microwave (RADAR), by instead machining the magnetron, we manufactured it by presision stampling...

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11/04/2013 10:57 AM

Yes, we probably would have eventually come up with all sorts of technology. However, those who have the edge on any technology do not come up with it eventually, they come up with it first.

Look at what happened to Robert Goddard. He invented the first liquid fueled rocket here in the United States. What did we do with that edge, we ridiculed his fanciful ideas as a waste of money. (Sound familiar) Not even the fame and help of Charles Lindberg could get us out of our short sighted view of how do I make an immediate profit. Werner von Braun studied all of Goddard's published studies and was convinced that it was released to the public because we had already surpassed these scholastic studies. He was later stunned to find that the country that invented liquid fuel rockets had no rocketry program.

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11/04/2013 11:08 AM

What did we do with that edge, we ridiculed his fanciful ideas as a waste of money.

That was only partially true, Goddard had allot to do with that also, Von Braun tried to contact Goddard and collaborate with him, but Goddard was too protective of his own research. And was very mistrusting of everyone. Maybe of the ridicule......?

But you just touch off of something.....

It's not only having an edge, its using that edge.

An example is our universities, did allot of research, in the 60's, 70's and 80's (some or allot government funded) and developed technology (the edge).

And the Japanese would basically buy or lease???? the results of this research and break through and bring it onto the consumer market.

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