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Why CT Should Not Be Open Circuited?

11/04/2013 11:01 PM

Normal Transformer can be open circuited but why large voltage develops in CT when open circuited condition and thats not happens in normal Transformer? please clear me.

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Re: why CT should not be open circuited?

11/04/2013 11:05 PM

Does nobody EVER try to answer their own questions?????????????????????????

Current Transformer Basics and Theory Tutorial

What will happen when current transfomer in open circuit

Is this homework, or an interview question?

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Re: why CT should not be open circuited?

11/04/2013 11:10 PM

This depends only on the CT and how it is made. Some current transformers with open secondary can indeed produce higher (dangerous) voltages. Especially while used with high currents.

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Re: Why CT Should Not Be Open Circuited?

11/05/2013 10:30 AM

An important aspect of C.T operation is the voltage appearing across the open circuited secondary.

If by mistake, secondary is open circuited, voltage across secondary rises to a high value.

This peak value may reach some Kilovolts due to saturation of core.

Open circuiting of secondary results in the breakdown of Insulation, increase eddy current loss, overheating of core.

Example (Short Circuited vs Open Circuited C.T):

A bar-type current transformer has 1 turn on its primary and 160 turns on its secondary is to be used with a standard range of ammeters that have an internal resistance of 0.2Ω's.

The ammeter is required to give a full scale deflection when the primary current is 800 Amps.

Calculate the maximum secondary current and secondary voltage across the ammeter?

Is = Ip ( Np / Ns ) = 800 ( 1 / 160 ) = 5A

Vs = Is Ra = 5 x 0.2 = 1.0 Volts

If the ammeter is removed, the secondary winding becomes open-circuited and the transformer acts as a step-up transformer resulting in a very high voltage equal to the ratio of: Vp ( Ns / Np ) being developed across the secondary winding.

Assume our current transformer from above is connected to a 480 volt three-phase power line. Therefore:

T.R = n= Vp / Vs =Np / Ns

Vs = Vp (Ns / Np) = 480 ( 160 / 1) = 76.8 kV

This high voltage results in the breakdown of Insulation, increase eddy current loss, overheating of core

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Re: Why CT Should Not Be Open Circuited?

11/06/2013 12:26 AM

You made a nice calculation. Unfortunate it is not true for all CT's.

Please that the OP comes up with more info about his type CT: what is on the nameplate, how big, how much iron in the core, type of core e.g.

I KNOW of CT's being interrupted every day 100/200/400:5, carrying current at the same moment ( 60-70 Amps) and what happens with these? NOTHING

Countless CT's, like for TED 5000, Ct's for kWh meters and other applications just don't care it they are open or disconnected.

I understand for some of you I must about be cursing, but this is the simple truth. Why the manufacturers print it one some CT's? Perhaps to scare everyone away. The Ct's I have here give with 20 Amps an ample 3 Volts AC,

Tell now also how you will get that core into saturation with an open secondary? I suppose you will use a CT rated for the current ratio as prescribed?

In theory there is some logic in your thinking, only the Q factor of most CT's is miserably low (and on purpose) because one wants to measure with reproducibility, not?

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Re: Why CT Should Not Be Open Circuited?

11/06/2013 11:32 AM

Dear Aghvel,

you mention "saturation of the core". Can you explain it better? I imagine saturation can explain some clamping effect and/or dv/dt, producing higher voltages than according to the turn ratio.

But I can't agree with "current transformer from above is connected to a 480 volt...". You will not be able to apply such a voltage to the primary "winding" (one turn - in fact, a bar).

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11/06/2013 2:09 PM

In a transformer the primary and the secondary winding need a medium to transport the energy to each other. HF transformers can work without a core and can use air.

LF applications use ferro materials, like transformer iron or ferrite.

The primary magnetizes the core when AC current is applied (in fact there is a little current already due to iron losses as soon a voltage over the primary is applied)

This flux (magnetic current) flows through the core and induces voltage/and current in the secondary winding.

The quantity of core material determines the Power (watts) it can handle. That is why a 1000 Watts transformer is bigger than a 5 watts mini transformer.

Saturation occurs when all the magnetic reserves in the core are used.

A lot of things may happen: In the primary - The impedance effect - the value of the impedance (Z) nears the resistance of the wire used (R). A chain reaction may start:/ The sinus wave becomes flattened - more heat e.g. until something becomes too hot to function. Shellack may melt, aluminium wire may melt e.g.

In the secondary: distortion and wrong measurements as a start, followed by the same specifics as in the primary.

This is why CT's are sized to master the load or burden. ( The lower the burden, the less power has to be derived out of the circuit - the more accuracy - and the smaller the CT's can be)

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11/05/2013 11:41 PM

as you are new to CR4.. here is some advice.... try looking for past answers to this type of question in CR4, and there are lots.

I know that you don't JUST find CR4 on the internet, so as you are here, you know how to search... I suggest you do just that, search CR4. Then if you don't understand the answers you find, come back and ask for some clarity! Enjoy!

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Re: Why CT Should Not Be Open Circuited?

11/06/2013 11:13 AM

Maybe that's what started the fireball travelling down the power lines!

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Re: Why CT Should Not Be Open Circuited?

11/06/2013 11:52 AM

Dear Mr.bala009,

In simple terms, the voltage at the Secondary side will be multiplied by the CT Ratio,of the CT and may result in sever shock, arcing, even explosion.

Take an example of a CT for 3000/5 Amps, the ratio is 600, and if the Voltage is 420 in the Primary Side of CT, the Voltage in the Secondary side will be 420 x 600 = 2,52.000 volts, which is very dangerous.

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11/06/2013 1:38 PM

Repair problem one:

Sorry to respectfully disagree: 420 X 600 = 252,000. (that is the math) and the name I suggest is "times 1000 question marks"

How you will ever get 420 Volts over, say 1 or 2 inches cable through a CT is a big mystery for me.

A CT is the abbreviation of "Current Transformer", where current is interpreted as amperage, or amperes (AC). A current transformer in most cases only starts to be a transformer as soon as you put your primary winding through the core center.

And from then on it transforms current, considered you have a load to transport it to (through the secondary). An open secondary will transport any possible current into the air (and the air is very thin to take any)

Please try it out.

Now to answer the OP's OP:

A CT should not be open circuited, because it will not be a CT, but a coil and will appear to not help you measure current.

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11/07/2013 8:43 AM

Thank you Mr.dvmdsc, for your reply/note.

What i have learnt during study days - taught by our Professors, picked up by us and continue to talk in the same line.

I request you to explain more details hre so tat others also can understand (or) can be sent through CR4 Personal Messaging.

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Re: Why CT Should Not Be Open Circuited?

11/07/2013 3:08 PM

Hi Sir,

You are not the only one in doubt. CT's will be discussed long time from now in the future. Note that there can always be a risk, working with these and leave the choice to specialists, especially when it comes to higher currents. The reply of poster #3 you can read in the link that Lyn posted. I cannot afford to believe everything someone writes down on the internet. It should be obviously clear to everyone that uses CT's to work according the directions, rules and regulations.

CT's are not to be used in saturation conditions (i.e. undersized). Once you get to install CT's you wonder why they are so big and heavy? From the design they have a big margin, so that saturation does not occur in normal conditions.

If this matter is interesting to you, pls check the internet, especially for CT core in saturation. Some problems may happen indeed, but these are so particular that I do not want to put values (or write down a formula) on voltages over an open secondary winding. These are so specific to the hic et nunc situation created.

Always work with caution, hope and think for the best, but prepare for the worst. Regards. D

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