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Series 2A Land Rover Clutch

11/08/2013 11:48 PM

Hi lads, In the process of my engine rebuild, I've struck trouble with a new clutch kit. I went to fit it only to discover that the cover plate supplied, only has provision for two locating dowels, diametrically opposite, whereas my flywheel has THREE locating dowels, equidistant around the perimeter. I've attempted to drill the two holes in the cover to line up, but of course the accuracy is questionable..! On checking my order, it would appear that the part that arrived was to suit, series 1 & series 2. Is there a difference between the series 2 & the series 2a..? I always thought they were the same. Any ideas guys..? Norm.

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Re: Series 2A Land Rover clutch

11/09/2013 12:48 AM

A picture can help.

Year of the machine can help.

Returning is probably not simple (anymore)

Need to find a way to center it properly, and use the flywheel or a spare flywheel as template, I guess, securing the center at the same time. Need some tools I think.

Remarkable discovery: didn't know that either.

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11/09/2013 3:00 AM

I think the year of the vehicle is 1967, that being deduced from the VIN number. Photos are always a prob for me, but I'll see what I can do. Norm.

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11/09/2013 9:08 AM

If these prices are similar to what yours are, I would just buy the proper plate. Based on my own experiences, it's just too much work involved when you find out that your alteration isn't going to work.

http://modelandrover.com/categories/land-rover-series-2a-and-3-clutch-plate-and-assembly-parts

It looks like you can buy the plate itself, without purchasing the entire kit...assuming that everything else is identical.

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11/09/2013 10:29 AM

Looking at your first link...am I missing something, or is it almost worth it for US customers to order from the UK?

http://modelandrover.com/products/land-rover-parts-clutch-cover-assembly-9-5-b-b-br-3029g

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11/09/2013 11:01 AM

Well there's the shipping costs, and time involved.....Have you ever ordered something from the UK..? It takes forever and costs a fortune....forget returning it if you get the wrong part....

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11/09/2013 11:08 AM

Yeah, I figured it wouldn't be worth it, but that's a big price difference.

If Norm can find the right plate for a decent price, that's what I would do.

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11/09/2013 1:07 PM

I don't know about your series but......the alignment holes aren't hyper critical to the operation of the pressure plate but they are quite useful for the stage you're currently at. as already suggested I'd use the old one as a template BUT my concern is more about the clamping rating of the new plate vs what the manufacturer calls for. doing a lot of machining and ending up with a slipping clutch is senseless. Put my vote in to just getting the proper part and doing the job once

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11/10/2013 2:26 PM

I like your idea of using the old plate pressed against the new plate, with one old hole lined up with one new hole and carefully clamp the two together and drill through the other hole exactly and carefully.

If it vibrates, you know what needs changing......

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11/09/2013 5:49 PM

I determined the size of the clutch on the one that came off it was definitely 9", but here's the thing, a closer, subsequent inspection of the pressure plate that came off, revealed that it had also been, post drilled to accommodate the three dowel pattern. /$@$&??? I can't return it and as a matter of fact if I had gone to the UK, I would have probably have had the same prob in that I would have ordered it on the basis of the existing arrangement, not realising that the pressure plate had been drilled. Ideally of course I should re order but the cost is a problem for me, I'm already under pressure over the cost of the whole project from you know who....! So I've got to make it fit. Drilling won't be a problem but establishing its concencitricy will. Any ideas guys..? Norm.

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11/09/2013 6:34 PM

Make a template from the old one.....

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11/09/2013 6:43 PM

Assuming the old one worked, that's the only answer.

However, I would make a mock up out of cardboard or something, first, and slide it into place, making sure that everything was aligned just right...then do the drilling.

Don't feel bad Norm. I once needed a truck ASAP, because I had work that needed to be done. I grabbed a Chevy that ran, for $3000, and just drove it.

Eventually it broke down, and I found out that someone had invested a lot of time and effort into fitting it with an Oldsmobile engine and tranny.

Fixing it or swapping engines would have been more than the truck was worth...I had to chuck it and buy another one.

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11/09/2013 11:42 PM

change the flywheel

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11/11/2013 4:49 AM

Norm, The problem may be the flywheel. There's a chance that the original flywheel had two pins and someone changed it to a 3 pin. You could drill two holes, but you'd have to be very precise on the placement of the holes. I'd check your local junkyards to see if they have a flywheel. Before buying it, look at the number of pins to see if it's two or three. My guess is two.

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11/11/2013 4:56 PM

If you have a set of transfer punches, it should not be a problem, clamp them, mark them, pilot drill and then drill to the dowel pin size, if the old one didn't vibrate, you're good. If you clamp them face to face the pin placement may be off, you need to stack them and double check.

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11/13/2013 11:21 PM

O'Kay lads, this is the good oil....! It would appear that the flywheel is pre drilled by Rover, for different dowel patterns. Which allows for the option of either a 9" or 9 1/2" clutch plate. Three equidistant dowels allow the 9 1/2" clutch, and two diametrically opposite, allow the 9" plate. So all I have to do, is to remove two dowels and install a new one at 180 degrees and it is sorted..! The amazing thing to me is that new dowels are readily available ex-Melbourne at $6 each. So Fellahs that's it, many thanks to you all for your advice, ideas, and interest. Thanks agian, Norm.

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