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Transformer Neutral Earth Pit Problem.

12/06/2013 10:08 AM

Dear all

Today we face a problem in our 33/6.3/.415Kv Transformer.

Earth pit for Neutral solid grounding of secondary(.415KV) both Earth pit & its surroundings got too much heated,when we checked Neutral to Body earth voltage that is 230v & R-Y-E=415V WHILE B-E=0V.so that we take a cable & touches the neutral to another earth pit then a spark will come & after that everything is ok.mean Neutral to earth voltage is 0V.& also B-E=230V.

we still not understand what actually...is it neutral disconnection problem?

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Re: Transformer Neutral Earth Pit Problem.

12/06/2013 11:30 AM

If everything has "...got too much heated..." then it's time to find out why so much current is flowing. You may have a severely unbalanced system, a low-level earth fault somewhere, and/or are in need of additional earthing pits and a way to keep them wet enough to keep on "earthing" for you.

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12/06/2013 1:11 PM

Your post is confusing. I will make the assumption that you have a wye connected secondary with the neutral point connected to your earth pit. The voltage between phases RB, RY or YB should be 415 volts. The voltage from R,B or Y to neutral/earth should be 230 volts. Neutral to E should be zero. In your post you say"B-E = 0 volts." The only way that could happen is if you had a delta connected secondary with B grounded. Your statement R-Y-E = 415 volts can not be right. What do you mean by "touching the neutral to another earth pit" ? You can have a difference in potential between earth pits. You may have sparking occur in this situation. Please add some additional information.

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Re: Transformer Neutral Earth Pit Problem.

12/06/2013 5:06 PM

Given the figures you state you've lost the neutral star point earth connection and now have a phase to earth fault. Is the neutral solidly bonded or via a NER? Failure of the NER followed by a phase to neutral will give the figures you quote.

As for getting sparks when you connected the two pits, I surprised you didn't get a big bang!

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Re: Transformer Neutral Earth Pit Problem.

12/07/2013 8:58 AM

I think the same as TonyS in the "first pit"case the neutral was not grounded but phase B was.

In the second case "pit no.2" a short-circuit occurred between phase B and the neutral through the Ground , the connection to ground of phase B burnt out and delivered phase B from its earth connection.

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12/07/2013 1:08 PM

Typical "Indian" way of problem solving?

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12/08/2013 10:02 AM

Absolutely not

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Re: Transformer Neutral Earth Pit Problem.

12/09/2013 4:33 PM

"so that we take a cable & touches the neutral to another earth pit then a spark will come & after that everything is ok".

Then what? Rather than analysing the problem, you brag that you touch the neutral to another earth pit & gosh! spark will come????

Had it been a site with inflammable or explosive materials, what your 'spark' could have created?

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12/09/2013 11:13 PM

A well deserved Darwin Award....

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12/10/2013 9:39 AM

As we think neutral is disconnected from its pit so we just connect one pit with another and a very little spark came just like we discharge a fan capacitor.

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12/08/2013 2:05 PM

both Earth pit & its surroundings got too much heated

Do you mean that the ambient temperature got really high, the ground dried up and the earth pit resistance increased?

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Re: Transformer Neutral Earth Pit Problem.

12/09/2013 1:04 PM

The solution is to isolate the installation from all sources of power on the basis of danger to life and property, and to hire a qualified HV Electrician to put things right. Wasting time on CR4 only increases the chances of hurting/killing someone. So do it now/this morning/immediately.

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