The Secretive Trans Pacific Partnership - Ask More Q's

Here in the US, we like things that have to be passed first, to find out what's in it. <sarc>

If John Kerry is involved, you can be assured that someone will be hurt in these deals...most likely America. He is a known bottom feeder, and is lying scum. He can't be trusted.

I hate to say this, but with the revelations about the NSA spying on just about everyone, I wouldn't do any negotiating with the US, unless stopping it was part of the deal. Looking for terrorists? Sure...but not tracking the calls and activities of other governments and citizens.

The bottom line is....that the lines between corporations and government continue to blur, government has become increasingly corrupt, we won't find out what these deals entail until they're signed, and the people that end up getting screwed will be the same as always....us. The little guys. The citizens.

Just to help enlighten the uninformed...

John Kerry is a traitor to this country. Acting on Obama's behalf, he just gave away the farm to Iran, sold out Israel, and in the process of the negotiations, made no attempt to get our American prisoners, (on trumped up charges), released from Iran.

Now this low life POS is out negotiating secret trade deals.

Maybe you don't like politics, but you're damned sure gonna be living with the results of what these idiots are doing.

As usual....I'm more than happy to post links and source everything I've said.

Kram I'm so tired of your sugarcoating everything! tell us what you really think

I tried to be as nice as humanly possible.

It scares the hell out of me to have an incompetent dolt like Kerry out there doing our horse trading.

....and I think I can speak for all of us, when I say, we're getting tired of the "secrets".

you know I generally avoid politics on this forum. but I do think you have a misconception on something. any Sec of state including Kerry have little power. they are are primarily negotiators for the President they work for. the "deals" that have been recently discussed in the news are deal signed by thePOTUS. if you have disgust place it there where it clearly belongs

Maybe, maybe not.

These are the things that our POTUS was completely unaware of, until they happened, and it was reported on the news.

Fast & Furious

A need for extra security in Benghazi.

The fact that Benghazi wasn't about a youtube video.

The IRS targeting of conservatives.

The NSA spying.

The impending failure of the ACA rollout.

He's attempting to say that he was unaware that people wouldn't be able to keep their insurance.

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Now...taking that into consideration: Who's gonna take the heat over any crappy deals made in these "secret" negotiations...the POTUS, or John Kerry?

Truthfully I don't have enough knowledge about constitutional process to know if the executive branch has the power to enter into contractual agreements without the acquiescence of the legislative branch. If not, then Kram is limiting his/her attack to the entity of lesser responsibility.

Partisan politics is really quite the whorehouse - it really matters not the color of the dress on the working girl.

Attempting to blame the color of the dress for the existence of a sophisticated prostitution ring seems a bit over the top for me.

I'll let somebody else shake the political pom-poms in this mean spirited partisan pep rally.

I don't like any of them, (politicians).

Nobody should be happy about a bunch of them conducting secret, "closed door" meetings, regarding international trade...and who knows what else?

Most of these people have no concept of how a business even runs, and are not qualified to be making these decisions on their own.

The fact that John Kerry is a snake, is a matter of public record.

Given that his first "big deal", was lifting sanctions on Iran, and giving them the green light on their nuclear ambitions, I'm not very hopeful on this next round of "secret" negotiations.

This guy gets very close, but misses the ultimate point...that it will be the government that determines the winners and losers; not the ISPs.

The ISPs are falling for another bait and switch, just like the stupid insurance companies when they got behind the ACA. They aren't laughing anymore.

http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/so-the-internets-about-to-lose-its-net-neutrality/

As far as this TPP...who knows what it will entail? We'll find out after Kerry signs the deal.

I think it's already happened...most of us are just happily oblivious to it.

That's because most of us have to suffer a Government controlled education system.

I would suggest Atlas Shrugged as required reading.

Yeah, I read it.

The reality is probably worse than the book.

I can appreciate Don's concern, but that's the problem with "secret" trade deals...nobody will know who the winners and losers are, until it's done.

I'm not sure if he needs to be too worried about US influence, since we seem determined to completely devalue our currency.

China is the one to be watching.

I just went OT because the OT fairy came out. This saves them the trouble.