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Street Light Pole Swap

12/11/2013 5:12 PM

I have a street light pole that happens to be too close to some powerlines, it is only too close by a small distance (but you know rules are rules!).

I just happen to have some other poles on site that are 5ft shorter and I want to swap them, but the problem is they also have different base plates.

I have been working on the calculations for the amount of force applied to the base in a 100mph wind gust, all was going well until I started working on the exact nature of the forces at the base. I am not confident that I have modeled the problem accurately.

I averaged the pole width at 6in and with a 25ft length giving an area of 13.5ft2 and the density of air at 0.07967lb/ft3 I get the following equation:

Fdrag = 1/2 ρ v2 Cd A == 1/2(.07967lb/(ft^3))((100mph)^2).47*13.5ft^2

(wolfram alpha link: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1%2F2%28.07967lb%2F%28ft%5E3%29%29%28%28100mph%29%5E2%29.47*13.5ft%5E2)

Yeilding a force of 169 lbF.

Doing the moment equation gives 2281.5 lbF ft of torque.

The bolts are 7 1/16 in apart. I could calculate it as if the pole pivots in the center and use half the distance between the bolts to calculate the counter torque, but if the base plate doesn't yeild then my pivot point would be the farthest edge of the plate.

I am certain that the critical failure point is the bolts, either witha pull out of the concrete pad or the bolts will pull through the plate or the bolt will shear.

Ideas?

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12/11/2013 6:09 PM

This looks like a real can o' worms.....

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12/11/2013 7:20 PM

A picture is worth a thousand words, and a dimensioned picture ten thousand.

Have the existing shorter poles already withstood some 100 mph winds?

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12/12/2013 12:32 PM

Sorry, Pc was acting up yesterday. Here is a drawing I made of the two plates with dimensions and overlapping.

The light poles have withstood local winds for at least 50 years, the local nearby airport registered a wind gust last year of 100mph.

Unfortunately I am running I.E. on my work computer and can't seem to get a better image than this uploaded. I will try to upload pictures from my phone of one of the bases.

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12/12/2013 12:36 PM

This is a picture of the smaller pole. We have considered cutting the cast bottom off and swapping the two and just cutting the taller pole down, but that would require moving the access port. I am looking for the optimal solution that will be strongest and cost the least.

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12/12/2013 12:47 PM

Why can't you just shorten the existing pole(ie: cut the top off)..?

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12/12/2013 2:10 PM

The pole is tapered so there is a slight problem with matching the design (symmetry and consistency is important).

I am waiting on an updated quote, I need to ask them about just modifying the base to lower it that way (the taller offensive pole has a base that sticks out of the soil more).

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12/11/2013 8:16 PM

You have not described the difference in the base plates.

It would seem to me that with shorter poles the forces will be less.

Until the base plates are defined, no joy.

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12/12/2013 7:57 PM

One solution would be to cut off the longer pole and have the cut faced off perfectly parallel to the base, on a lathe or mill. Then weld that base to the shorter pole, leaving the decor cast iron to hide the bolt holes on the short pole.

The longer pole now has no base, but a new one could be made.

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