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Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

12/24/2013 5:19 AM

I want to know what is the correct procedure for current injection testing an Air Circuit Breaker (ACB) of rated current 1600 Ampere .

I have confusion in first of all to determine :-

a) What value of current , I should inject ? and when I have injected and noted down the time it takes to trip ..How to compare it with the current Time curve of the same breaker .

b) there are terms like Short time , Long time and instantaneous Time .

c) on the trip unit there are various adjustable knobs - how to use those settings and what effect do they produce ? ( Magnetic Delay and current multiple setting)

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Re: Air circuit breaker , current injection testing

12/24/2013 7:06 AM

I am sorry my friend but it would take too long to explain all of the above. I suggest you get some help from an experienced commissioning engineer. On your own you are only likely to make things worse, or dangerous. Do this before switching it on.

I am sure others will echo my sentiments.

You can start by buying a book on electrical principles and work up from there.

The ACB manufacturer may also run courses.

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Re: Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

12/24/2013 9:18 AM

you're scaring me

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Re: Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

12/24/2013 10:38 AM

I'm more concerned about the innocent people of Dubai.

A selection from OP's first visit here: "i have completed bachelors in engineering few months back and i joined this company

I am currently working in the construction of a 33KV/11KV substation.

I do not have cable schedule.

How can I create a cable schedule?"

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Re: Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

12/24/2013 9:12 PM

L & T conducts a training course on Air Circuit Breaker Selection, Testing & Maintenance. Please visit their website: www.lntebg.com. Or contact Mr. Bipulkumar

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Re: Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

12/25/2013 1:03 AM

"this forum is not that helpful for beginners

i advise you to go to linkedin.com and join electrical engineer group and ask questions there you find more relevant response"

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Re: Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

12/25/2013 3:20 AM

Read the equipment manuals (Test instrument and Breakers), inquire from qualified personnel doing the job and better let you and him do actual tests. Then, all your questions are answered.

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Re: Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

12/25/2013 6:31 AM

mukultyagi:

You have already said everything that was listed in some catalog which you have already read.
There is current and time graph - which means less current takes longer time
There is a maximum operating current up to which nothing happens
There is catastrophic level instantaneous level highest current which makes breakdown instantaneously (or sure to act in minimum possible action time)
You know all these right from catalog in your hand then what else you want these good fellows to help you?

Are you from DAE or DRDO? There people are never sure of anything.

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Re: Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

12/27/2013 5:29 AM

I agree with the sentiments of the other posters. Suggest its not only the complexity of the tests you need to consider but also the safety aspects you are likely to miss. Would you spot an open ended CT. Would it matter? There is more to injection testing than meets the eye - there is usually a shed load of experience.

Time to walk away from this and instead witness test an expert.

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Re: Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

01/25/2014 7:57 AM

Long time pick up - normal over current - Settings between 0.1 to 1 ( 10% to 100%)

Short time - for starting current of motor etc. this can be set as per your load charecterstics, for example 1.5 times, 2 times etc.

Instantaneous trip - for the short circuit current - can be set to 2 to 10 times to the rated current

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Re: Air Circuit Breaker, Current Injection Testing

01/25/2014 8:34 AM

Someone should have already done a protection study on this breaker. It will give you the settings so that cables and equipment are correctly protected. Usually these settings are put into the relay by a competant person who is both familiar with the relay and through experience would also see if a figure was horibly wrong through a typing error. With these values in your hand you could think about testing. I think you should also wonder whether you are suitable skilled to undertake the task and give consideration to the lives you could be putting at risk. Fiddling with these knobs and buttons could be that serious.

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