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HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

01/01/2014 12:53 AM

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What does HM bolts exactly means and how different are these from normal metric bolts? I have searched in net but all i got is Hexagonal capped Metric bolt, which i feel is not revelent.

Additional information:I saw these bolts specified in structural drawing which are used to bolt an I-beam with column.

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Re: HM20 bolt in beam & Column bolting

01/01/2014 7:09 AM

A Web search on this term produces an amazing amount of contradictory and useless "information." Perhaps the best bet is to ask whoever did the drawing or wrote the specs. Normally, structural bolts are conventional hex head, with some indication of grade related to tensile strength.

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Re: HM20 bolt in beam & Column bolting

01/01/2014 7:47 AM

my bet is its a spring bolt, like those used on uni-strut, but thats just a guess.

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01/01/2014 7:59 AM

I don't think so, that is a 3/4" bolt and he says it is for a beam to column connection.

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Re: HM20 bolt in beam & Column bolting

01/01/2014 8:53 AM

as I said, it was a guess I certainly am not sure of this application

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01/02/2014 11:17 PM

Sorry Tornado, just wanted to have this spot here to ask the off topic ticker for most of my posts here to get an education. It is not meant as answer to you.

If someone just throws value true information without even checking the links where I have put plenty of time in (yes hours) just in the garbage, than this forum is not where I belong. Bye to all the friends.

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01/03/2014 12:56 AM

Hex is correct and the tensile strength is to chose from. Ga

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Re: HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

01/01/2014 12:15 PM

HM-200 Chemical Anchor Bolt - Shanghai Horse Construction Co ...
Not a clue if this could be it. I'd just call it an anchor bolt.

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Re: HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

01/01/2014 8:24 PM

M= metric

20=diameter in mm

H= hex (sometimes added, not needed)

As for construction and securing steel I and H beams, engineers use no lower quality bolts then 8. 8.8 is used as standard, providing good results.

5.6 is problematic as materials above 10 become too brittle to provide longevity in dynamic loads. The situation in low weight channels as used in moderate steel buildings in the US might be different.

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01/02/2014 10:10 PM

Vis = Bolt = screw (how the French translate it)

This stockist only stocks to HM12.

I have a picture and that is a black HEX bolt. Unfortunate it did not come with. For the CR4 detectives here a link:

http://www.ob-profils.com/en/bolts/bolts/bolt/hm-screw-368-15.html

(how do we get that to work in blue and automated? On my windows 7 machine it works but not on this MAC)

Vis HM

Ecrou à embaseGoupille fendueKg/U Code €/UVis TRL 6 x 16 100 0,40 931616V 20,00 231616V 30,00 631616VVis TRL 6 x 30 100 0,60 931630V 28,50 231630V 40,00 631630VEZ/EG Géomet SS316LKg/% Code €/% Code €/% CodeVis HM 8 x 20 100 1,15 930820 23,00 230820 43,20 630820Vis HM 8 x 40 100 1,70 930840 42,50 230840 61,50 630840Vis HM 8 x 60 100 2,25 930860 55,50 - -Vis HM 10 x 25 100 2,50 931025 42,50 231025 67,00 631025Vis HM 10 x 40 100 3,40 931040 67,00 231040 100,00 631040Vis HM 10 x 60 100 4,20 931060 70,00 - -Vis HM 12 x 25 100 3,60 931225 67,00 231225 113,00 631225Vis HM 12 x 50 100 5,30 931250 141,00 231250 142,00 631250

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01/02/2014 10:30 PM

Check this:

http://www.promeca.com/vis-tete-hexagonale-acier-zingue-classe-88-p10316-fr.html?osCsid=8d285c639baf233fb10a0a4537ecad8f

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Re: HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

01/01/2014 11:28 PM

these bolts are known as tension control bolts. see link for image and description and use http://www.structuralbolt.com/tca.php

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01/02/2014 3:29 AM

I would venture a guess that HM in this example vaguely refers to 'high modulus'.

Your description leads me to think of a steel column supporting a steel I-beam,but then a column could also be a RC affair eh?

For other than just being curious, you might check the drawing for a secifications reference page.

According to this page ... http://joints.en.cype.com/joints_bolted.htm there are distinct specifications for the bolts used with this type of construction.That leads me to believe the 'HM' reference is generic,leaving the interpretation up to the fabricator.

Not a good idea but a slick little test question.

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P.S. I have both seen & smelled the HM20 bolts Lyn linked to.

Really stinky,sticky,spensive and something to be avoided if possible.The application was a custom fabricated ledger beam of HEAVY construction that was face mounted to a canted,verticle,concrete wall.

The beam was bolted in place,that is erected,braced & aligned into position then the holes drilled & cleaned (beam holes pre-drilled). With the glass tube(s) slipped into the hole the anchor bolt pre-assembled with nuts & washers were driven in with hammer drills.Keeping the oozing epoxy in place (horizontal mounting) while the bolt was driven home had a steep & messy learning curve.

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Re: HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

01/02/2014 4:26 AM

When I worked with a structural steel company we used high strength friction grip bolts (HSFG) which were always torqued.

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01/02/2014 5:12 AM

May be this drawing will give you more information

This is chinese design and beam is bolted to column for staircase-platform.

Please do ask if any additional information is needed.

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01/02/2014 4:06 PM

The bolts shown on this diagram are the equivalent of 7/8" in 1" holes. We would use 15/16" holes. We would usually use 5/8" A307 bolts for stair but I think this is not just for stairs, there are some sophisticated welded connections there. We usually used A 325 bolts in the larger sizes, these days they seem to mostly be Tension control type.

I found this UK site that mentions HM bolts, but I couldn't download the whole thing, web is slow.

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Re: HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

01/02/2014 9:38 PM

Hi Pas,

The therein mentioned HM20 points to the strength of the concrete HM is used in Spain for a class without any reinforcing steel inside. (very weak) when steel is applied it has HA20 as starter. By my knowledge (very limited) Fisher does a lot of concrete anchors.

If the OP could tell the materials the beam and column is made of, we can proceed.

For your info the concrete classification as used in Spain and a reference to what the US of A specifies. The core drill samples are cylinders in both cases (metric)

Switzerland Cube 20 x 20 x 20 B25/15, B30/20, B35/25, B40/30, B45/35, B50/40 N/mm2 SIA 162

Spain Cylinder 15 x 30
non-reinforced:
HM-20, HM-25, HM-30,
HM-35, HM-40, HM-45, HM-50
reinforced concrete:
HA-25, HA-30, HA-35,
HA-40, HA-45, HA-50
Prestressed concrete:
HP-25, HP-30, HP-35, HP-40, HP-45, HP-50

N/mm2 EHE

USA Cylinder 15 x 30 2000, 3000, 4000, 6000 PSI ACI 318

Switserland is added too just for your info and because there the sampling is done on a cube (all are centimeters) and samples are that big to have a good correlation.

As the man with the golden nose states: what is on the drawing or the worksheet (book) ??

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01/02/2014 4:22 PM

chandruu,

"Please do ask if any additional information is needed."

I have one question. Why have you not contacted the person who made the drawing, or the company it was made for.

At this point I assume that you are trying to steal the design and can't ask the legitimate owner for the information.

Once again, why didn't you call or e-mail the origin of the drawing and ask them??

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Re: HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

01/03/2014 2:27 AM

Lyn,

I've already emailed to the company that made drawing. But so far there is no response from them. that's why i'm searching in this forum.

I'll post the reply as soon as i get.

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01/03/2014 2:47 AM

Chandruu:

I tried to magnify your drawing, but I miss detail. Unless I see wrong it is HM22 in stead of HM20. And the hole is 23.5 mm?

When this is for a regular staircase, those bolts and beams are very heavy. What is the purpose? Does the platform carry a lot of weight?

I fail to see the total picture. You have more to show?

Tks.

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01/03/2014 12:06 PM

I am not sure about the letter "H", but it could stand for either "Hexagonal [Head or Nut]. It could also suggest "High Strength". But for the "M", I am almost certain that it stands for "Metric". For the "20", it should be the diameter of the bolt in "millimeters". The bolt itself must be a close equivalent of a 3/4" diameter bolt "English" system. I hope someone out there can solve this "mystery". I consider this as very important,too.

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01/03/2014 4:15 PM

Vis tête hexagonale acier zingué classe 8.8 HM 20 x 100 mm

Réference : VISHM20X100 Cliquez pour agrandir

Ce produit est une déclinaison de notre Vis tête hexagonale acier zingué classe 8.8: Voir le produit de base

Déclinaison : Disponible 2.35 € TTC
soit 1.96 € HT (0.39 € de TVA 20%) Poids brut : 0.31 kg Frais de livraison Quantité Nos articles
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Quelques déclinaisons possibles :
HM 8 x 40 mm
HM 18 x 70 mm
HM 22 x 80 mm

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01/03/2014 12:19 AM

The original post, together with #10, shows that this has nothing to do with concrete anchors. Right there, that makes several responses off topic. "HM20" looks like a generic classification, with some doubt about what the "H" means; however, it could be a proprietary designation. Either way, HM200 does not fit, unless by typo. Stuff that tops out at HM12 does not match. Etc. But then, as #1 noted, the Web is full of useless junk, which is still useless when imported into this thread.

None of this answers the OP, but, as previously noted, the author of the drawings and/or specs could be asked.

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Re: HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

01/03/2014 12:53 AM

HM20 is exactly how you order a Hex bolts of 20 mm diameter in France and F- related suppliers. It is just missing the length expressed after X sign.

Example: HM20 X 40 mm is metric 20 mm with a length of 40 mm. Best wishes for 2014 to all.

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Re: HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

02/24/2014 4:19 AM

Sorry for the delay guys...

Now i got reply from the design providers that HM is same specifications as HT bolts.

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Re: HM20 Bolt in Beam & Column Bolting

09/19/2014 12:25 AM

Hi guys,

I got a reply from the designers that These HM is same as normal metric bolts, only H refers to their own designed bolt.Sorry for the delay, i almost forget to share with you. Thank for all who helped to clarify this .

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