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Camaro Going Crazy

01/05/2014 1:19 AM

I have a 91 camaro z28 with a 5.0 engine and automatic transmission. It starts up ok and idles in park and neutral but stalls when placed in gear. It will stay running while in gear if I give it some gas and hold the brake at the same time. I was thinking it might be the distributor since the night before it had been raining and I drove through some rather large puddles. I would like to get some input from a variety of people before I start ripping things apart. Any information would be great.

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01/05/2014 1:36 AM

Take the distributer cap off and dry it out with a hair dryer.

HEI ignitions are not as susceptible to moisture as breaker point ignitions are.

I think you have other problems, let us know if the hair dryer works.

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01/05/2014 1:39 AM

It could be any number of things, maybe just wet....I would dry it out first, plugs, coil, distributor....might check the codes to see if any are showing trouble....fuel filter change....let it heat up good and see if it smooths out....

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01/05/2014 8:01 AM

Water and electrical components don't mix very well. Low voltage is not so bad, but high voltage (post ignition coil) are sensitive to moisture.

When enough water hits a hot distributer cap it forms hairline cracks. I think it was some of the older Chevys that had that distributer in the back of the engine bay and when you opened a wet hood that water would just run off the hood right onto that hot distributer cap and crack them.

Plug wires can also crack over time and allow moisture to short out or rob spark. The wire from the coil to the distributor and the individual spark plug wires are the most likely culprits.

You can see this as a blue aura at night around the plug wires if it is humid enough or if you spray a fine mist of water over the wires.

Drying things out one at a time with the hair dryer (as Lyn mentioned) can help pinpoint the component that is causing the loss of power.

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01/05/2014 8:05 AM

based on your brief description I have to assume that prior to the puddles involved the car was relatively smooth running, in fact the puddles may not have any relation to your problems at all. but to eliminate the water issue you really need to get that distributor cap and wires dried out. I doubt much water if any actually made it inside the cap (but it is possible) I'd really be going directly to the spark plug wires at the cap, its unlikely a problem right at the plug. if water or any other conductor is present that allows the electricity to travel on a path you don't want the engine will not fire in the correct time, you'll get one or more wires firing at the same time and the cylinders that are firing work against each other instead of a specific firing order. with the car off I'd pull one wire at a time (so you don't get confused) and inspect the wire and the hole in the cap the wire came out of. you can use any method, Q-tip, air pressure cloth, whatever and make sure they are pretty dry and fitting firmly in place. if you do happen to find significant water in the cap itself and the little intricacies of the cap make it hard to get at you can simply spray copious amounts of good old WD 40 right onto the water and re-install it to Test run it. WD40 actually stands for "water displacement" formula 40. its perfectly fine on electrical contacts and equipment. if that does the trick you have the problem solved and have a clean up or cap replacement ahead of you.good luck

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01/06/2014 2:38 AM

Following on from the other comments:

At night pop the bonnet and start the engine. Have someone keep it running while you look but DO NOT TOUCH anything under the bonnet. As the engine is moved from a little power to idle you are looking for coronas, arcs and sparks which are clearly visible in the dark. Note where they are and shut the engine down then replace all the affected parts.

Note that the engine will move(torque reaction) as you apply power and therefore the wires will also move slightly and this may make the difference. Also moisture inside the distributor cap, around the plugs, or degraded plug leads are possibilities.

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01/05/2014 5:23 PM

First off, Do Not Play With The Plug Wires With The Engine Running!! The HEI ignition system can kill you! And it has killed people before. I can't stress that enough. As other's suggested about moisture and making sure everything is dry but also check that the rotor cap rotates freely, it only moves about 10° and should spring back. If it doesn't, it will cause you heart-aches

I used to work for Buick many years ago when HEI first came out and GM has a problem with burn through on the rotor cap and grounding out through the distributor shaft. And doing so will "weld" the inner shaft bushing which freezes the mechanical advance. It's a simple fix if your comfortable pulling the distributor out of the engine. GM has a service bullitin about this problem and recommends using oly the 'white' Delco rotor caps in the HEI.

If you do decide to try fix this, make sure your mark the locations of everything

You have to remove the drive gear off the distributor, pull the inner shaft out and polish it with #600 grit cocus cloth. Reinstall the shaft making sure it spins freely. reassembly the distributor and install a new rotor cap, perferablely a white Delco rotor cap.

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01/06/2014 9:03 AM

"Do Not Play With The Plug Wires With The Engine Running!!"

Roger that. And, if the ignition switch seizes, don't disconnect the coil wire to turn the engine off. Pow.

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01/05/2014 11:53 PM

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Used to have a similar problem, but not too complicated to fix just to find it. Many years ago I had a '67 Austin Healy 3000, Mark 4<-?. When it would sit out overnight and the air got damp, when it sat out in the rain, when it snowed in temps around 28-32oF, and after washing the car it would be hard to start, if at all. Also it would often run extremely rough with a balancing act between the gas pedal, the choke, prayers and often very rough language. Attempted to diagnose it for months. Finally noticed that the distributor cap was full of moisture. Tried WD-40 but no improvement. Finally got another cap at a junkie. It was also wet from sitting out so I dried it in an oven on low heat. It worked perfectly! I then dried the original one the same way and put it in a plastic bag and sealed it with a moisture absorbent pack in it. Continued this drying, sealing and installation cycle until I sold the car. By that time repairs took about 5 minutes to replace the cap.

Seems all Healey's with that cap had the same problem and many cars were sold for less than value to get rid of the problem.

Don't know if this will solve your problem but it is worth a try if you suspect the distributor cap is getting moisture in it.

Good Luck, Old Salt

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Re: Camaro Going Crazy

01/06/2014 3:13 AM

Any chance it had some Cavalier component transplant by mistake?

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01/06/2014 7:18 AM

They have given you a lot of ideas about water. These engines with throttle body fuel injection which I think you have are prone to vacuum leaks. Check for any vacuum hoses that have came off. Spray WD 40 along the intake manifold,around the throttle body vacuum hoses. If the engine idles a lot better repair the leak.

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Re: Camaro Going Crazy

01/06/2014 8:10 AM

Have someone in the car moving the shift from park to gear and observe the torque of the engine and any hoses that may be moving. It sounds like a vacuum leak possibly opening up when the engine torques over. If any hoses are too short for the engine movement this is when they may fail. Being a 1991 you probably have plenty of dried up hoses. I also agree with all the electrical comments but usually electrical will stop the engine dead. The power brake hose is the largest in the area and it may be the offender but check all hoses very carefully. If you have to handle things a good pair of electrical insulated gloves can be of wonderful assistance.

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