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01/05/2014 10:37 AM

Okay...so I'm talking to one of my best friends last night. We were both having a few drinks, and he brought up chemtrails that are being released over the Bay area of California.

Full disclosure here. This guy is a vegan that lives in Santa Cruz, and is pretty much the opposite of what people would consider me to be. I told him that I had heard about them, but the conspiracy stuff was so thick, that I had never bothered to look into it.

He told me that it can be a perfectly crystal clear day, with no clouds and blue skies; and since he's started paying attention, he's noticed planes with trails behind them, and within an hour, everything is hazy.

He also told me that there is real evidence that there is bad stuff in those trails.

Sure enough, I took a look online this morning, and the first page on google is talking about some kind of alien beings that tranform the trails into harmless particles.

Does anybody know what these really are, and what the purpose of them is?

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01/05/2014 10:58 AM

I think you must mean contrails.....(sic)

http://contrailscience.com/chemical-analysis-of-contrails/

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01/05/2014 11:04 AM

They are contrails. Chemtrails would be the conspiracy theory version of them.

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01/05/2014 11:09 AM

Alarmist conspiracy nonsense.

Baloney. WALOOB.

"Sure enough, I took a look online this morning, and the first page on google is talking about some kind of alien beings that tranform the trails into harmless particles." This was a clue, placed by CR4 members interested in the promotion of clearer thinking among the populace.

Wikipedia article.

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01/05/2014 11:20 AM

Now that I get to looking around, I think we may have already covered this on here.

http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/

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01/05/2014 11:21 AM

This is a well organized plot to take over the atmosphere by Sylphvanian rebels who also wired the WTC to explode when hijacked airplanes coincidently flew into the towers minutes apart.

It's total hallucination and fantasy.

Just go here: FlightAware - Flight Tracker / Flight Status / Flight Tracking and take a look at the huge number of commercial planes that are in the air AT ALL TIMES.

When the planes hit the WTC there were over 4,000 flights in the air, at that moment.

My wife and her mother were stranded in Estes Park, CO. for two extra days when it happened.

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01/05/2014 11:29 AM

Well, I told him that they might be seeding for rain or something, which would make sense in drought prone CA.

I'll let him chase the conspiracies, and he can call and give me his reports.

On a higher note...he told me that it's just like pot is legal in Northern Ca; people just toke up anywhere, and the cops ignore it. Maybe that explains the chemtrails.

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01/05/2014 12:41 PM
They don't seed for rain at 35,000 feet. They don't seed for rain on cloud free days.

I think it's funny that people are so paranoid that they imagine these things.

As far as pot goes, I have mixed feelings about it. I don't think people should go to jail for smoking it. I also don't believe that it leads to harder drug use, but that's just based on past personal experience.

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01/05/2014 3:37 PM

I never liked the "gateway drug" excuse either. Since every drug abuser started by drinking milk and water should these dangerous liquids be removed from our schools, of course not. The gateway premise is a false argument.

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01/05/2014 4:29 PM

Me either. It's based on the concept that people are incapable of making good decisions, and require government to do it for them. If the gateway premise worked, a single beer would eventually lead to heroin and addiction, along with a destroyed life.

The guy I was talking to, has smoked pot daily for the 20 years since I first hired him, and he now has his own company, is raising 2 kids, and works about 60 hours a week. Now that he's the boss, he doesn't smoke during the day much anymore, but he's on the bong every night...while I'm sucking down a few beers. To each his own.

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01/05/2014 11:51 AM

They're just the by-product water from jet fuel combustion that forms the contrails. Chemtrails is just another silly conspiracy theory. I presume you already read the Wikipedia page that I linked.

Related to this controversy is that studies have been done to estimate the amount of solar cooling these man made cirrus clouds produce. Feasibility studies were calculated to see if this could reduce global warming from the increased reflection or if the added CO2 increased global warming. If my memory is correct, the minuscule magnitudes in warming and cooling combined with the vast number of random variables dictating where and how long a contrail lasts made this not a method for global temperature control.

There are real atmosphere studies that utilize man made induced chemical trails. It is difficult to find these real studies among all of conspiracy theory junk. The number, length and total volume of material released into the atmosphere by these chemical trail studies over all of the decades they have been used are many orders of magnitude less than amount of aviation fuel used in just one month. The average amount of aviation fuel consumed in a month for US carriers in just domestic travel is more than a billion gallons.

So any man made lines one finds in the sky will most likely be a contrail, not a chemical trail.

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01/05/2014 12:17 PM

Yeah. Your "studies" link was what I was looking for...the real studies. It all seems to tie into HAARP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAARP

I think I'm about done with this project; the sheer vastness of the BS, is too much to even contemplate wading into.

This is funny though...

I was looking at some pilot forums about this subject, and one guy posted:

"The problem with the chemtrail conspiracy people, is that they are the same looneys that kept insisting that the government was spying on everyone."

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01/05/2014 12:39 PM

"The problem with the chemtrail conspiracy people, is that they are the same looneys that kept insisting that the government was spying on everyone."

Indeed... but which government? Have ALL departments of ALL governments been investigated and deemed trustworthy? Investigated... by whom? Some government agency, that's who! Do not aircraft from airfields not under the control of our beloved FAA arrive daily in populated US destinations?

It's far easier to stir up a conspiracy theory than to retire one.

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01/05/2014 1:08 PM

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Take your pick, contrails or conspiracy theory. Conspiracy has only BS and Science Fiction. Contrails have a century of fact, going back to soon after the Wright Brothers. They are simply small ice crystals and easier to see on very cold days. Contrails from jets are not as pronounced as from propeller aircraft. Youtube the high altitude flight of a B-17, B-24, B-25 or B-29. There you will see genuine and large contrails, probably the biggest of all. These are only just examples of what they are like on numerous prop planes. Before jets the skies used to be filled with them.

The Bay area is salt water, not much you can add to it by airplane and have it work. If it was a body of fresh water airplanes are usually uses to spread Sodium Bi-Carbonate, ordinary Baking Soda, to raise the pH of lakes that have been polluted with acids or acidic compounds. Typical of this are water bodies near acidic ground sources, coal mines, metal mines, man-made pollution and other acid sources. It works just like Alka-Seltzer and Tums do.

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01/05/2014 1:31 PM

Yeah. I'm getting Deja Vu...I think I've gone chasing this subject before. My friend is just getting started.

He told me he found a website where real scientists are talking about it, and that they're spraying Barium or something. When he presents me with the proof, I'll let you guys know.

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01/05/2014 2:07 PM

Barium... as in enema?

Why oh why are these hazardous chemtrails visible at all? Does not the technology exist to make them invisible? I often see an airplane, but no trail. Is this 'Sleuth Chemtrail' technology already in use and I don't know about it? How do I get excited about those if I can't see them?

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01/05/2014 2:08 PM

Yes I think you've worked your way through all the big conspiracy theories...other than maybe cattle mutilations....CIA covert random sampling of beef supply?

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01/05/2014 2:25 PM

My neighbor keeps me up to date on the cattle mutilations.

No suspects in custody yet.

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01/05/2014 1:47 PM
  • Send this to your buddy. Ask him if he's ever seen any of these "chemtrails" lately.
  • Then tell him they were all taken before the first airplane ever flew.
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01/05/2014 2:02 PM

Those are the formations that people are calling Sylphs, which are the beings that are transmuting the chemtrails. I'm not going to even bother with a link.

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01/05/2014 3:16 PM

But those clouds are not the same as todays clouds. Clearly they were black and white clouds back then but todays clouds have color.

What do you think added all that color? Chemicals!

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01/05/2014 3:34 PM

No, it's all those idiots in North Dakota burning oil.

In North Dakota's Bakken shale region, widespread flaring across millions of acres lights up the night sky, burning off enough energy each day to heat half a million homes. Excessive flaring of natural gas affects regional air quality and creates significant greenhouse gas emissions.

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01/05/2014 4:28 PM

Hey I can see my tire fire from there!

I am surprised that they think what we burn off would only heat half a million homes. I would have figure 5 - 10 times that.

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01/15/2014 10:55 PM

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How can greenhouse gas emissions be bad? Don't flowers and plants take in carbon dioxide and give off oxygen? I guess not then.

Its a good thing I didn't take horticulture in school, I would have flunked. The closest I got to any biology classes was Comparative Anatomy by the Braille Method. With computers and the internet modern students don't appreciate all the time and research we used to have to spend in labs and in the library in order to get good grades! Fortunately I had a very good lab partner. She and I helped each other with the experimental lab work every opportunity we had!

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01/05/2014 4:30 PM

It just insane.

But then there may be some advantage to geo-engineering climate control.

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01/05/2014 6:03 PM

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that they were doing something in regard to climate or weather, but the poison thing is over the top.

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