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Corrosion Allowance

01/22/2014 1:51 AM

I just want to ask on how to calculate the minimum wall thickness for a heavy wall pipe 14"NPS SC 120 (27.79mm) if we consider a 30-year usage life when the pipe is being use for High Pressure Steam with a design pressure of 1232 Psig? How to calculate the minimum corrosion allowance for this pipe being used?

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Re: Corrosion Allowance

01/23/2014 3:34 AM

Service?????? Review ASME VIII U2 and UG25, also, ASME B31.3 Parr. 302.4.The following Table is only a guide,
Table 13 : Corrosion allowance for steel pipes

Piping systemCorrosion allowance (mm)
Superheated steam0,3
Saturated steam0,8
Steam coils in cargo tanks and liquid fuel tanks2,0
Feed water for boilers in open circuit systems1,5
Feed water for boilers in closed circuit systems0,5
Blow-down systems for boilers1,5
Compressed air1,0
Hydraulic oil0,3
Lubricating oil0,3
Fuel oil1,0
Thermal oil1,0
Fresh water0,8
Sea water3,0
Refrigerants referred to in Section 130,3
Cargo systems for oil tankers2,0
Cargo systems for ships carrying liquefied gases0,3

Note 1 : For pipes passing through tanks, an additional corrosion allowance is to be considered in order to account for the external corrosion.
Note 2 : The corrosion allowance of pipes efficiently protected against corrosion may be reduced by no more than 50%.
Note 3 : When the corrosion resistance of alloy steels is adequately demonstrated, the corrosion allowance may be disregarded.

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Re: Corrosion Allowance

01/23/2014 11:04 AM

Poster #2 - good guidelines, but remember that on a steam pipe (considered to be superheated, dry steam during all of the in-service time, but allowed to be wetted during outages), unless there is a large amount of CO2 included with the steam (not usually the case), there will not be a high corrosion rate at all. The corrosion typically takes places internally in pipes where the steam partially or completely condenses on a frequent basis, and there is included CO2 that would lower the pH value to something like 5.0-6.0 pH units, and such solutions of carbonic acid are aggressively corrosive, and will reduce wall thickness uniformly on the parts of the pipe where liquid accumulates (typically the bottom).

External corrosion on piping presents a clear concern, and it all depends on how well done the insulation and lagging job was done, how much salt is included in the air (i.e. - near marine environments, etc.), and if moisture can get to the surface of the pipe.

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01/27/2014 5:42 AM

CO2 corrosion is a major concern in oil and gas production environment. in boiler, generally treated water is preferred (ie, water is clean).

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01/27/2014 9:35 AM

There would always be some slight amount of carbon dioxide free in the system, as this is a gas with high water solubility. Any air ingress, or water purification shortcoming will "leak by" some carbon dioxide into the water. Carbon dioxide presents a problem in ion exchange equipment due to a "cascading" effect between cation and anion resin, whereby it parasites the capacity of the system. Usually measures are taken to eliminate this upstream, however. I only know of two instances in my years of experience where very low pH condensate was allowed to form in piping. One was a low pressure steam supply that was not treated well at all, and had practically zero condensate return. The lower half of the pipe would eat away such that the pipe was replaced on approximately three year turnaround. Not good practice. The other involved an evaporator system for boiler makeup where the pre-softened water still contained high alkalinity, a high temperature steam extraction was used to drive the evaporator, and the evaporate produced was sent directly into a de-aerating feedwater heater without first being condensed and de-gassed. This evaporate was known to be less than 5 pH, and the boiler feedwater for this entire generating unit ran with a pH value less than 5.6 the entire time this evaporator was in service (over a great number of years). This led to high corrosion of the 90-10 condenser tubes, a great deal of copper deposited in the boiler, and problems deluxe.

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Re: Corrosion Allowance

01/29/2014 7:39 AM

In the absence of any local design code, a telephone call to the Engineer/Surveyor from the company providing burst indemnity insurance for the steam generator and the piping is a simple thing to do, and may yield valuable information gleaned from elsewhere over time. So pick up the phone, and get dialling.

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Re: Corrosion Allowance

01/29/2014 10:38 AM

ASME construction codes have no role in corrosion allowance. What abhout BSEN a.k.a EN construction codes stand on corrosion allowance matter?

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Re: Corrosion Allowance

02/03/2014 6:17 AM

voila! ENN codes discuss corrosion issues.

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Re: Corrosion Allowance

02/11/2014 7:17 AM

This is ASME about corroshan.

Common Slack, show your EN stuff about corrosion

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Re: Corrosion Allowance

02/07/2014 10:29 AM

In order to calculate the minimum wall thickness of any pipe according to any code of record, you must have the allowable stress value.

This value is based on temperature. You have not given us the system temperature.

You have not given us the specific material....

Yet again, we begin this third world process of begging the clueless OP to give us the whole picture.

Is this the first pipe design problem that you have ever encountered ?

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02/11/2014 6:55 AM

GENERAL CORROSION, IE, UNIFORM THINNING OF MATERIAL HAS NO RELATION WITH STRESS OR ANY OTHER FU*KING SUBJECT OTHER THAN HIGH TEMPERATURE IN THIS SCENARIO. IF, STRESS HAS A ROLE, YOU PUT A VALID LINK HERE TO CONVINCE US.

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