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Coal to Ash Calculation (Volume)

02/04/2014 11:28 AM

Good evening All, Before starting please understand that I am an investigator and not an engineer, therefore my question, and subsequent questions in future, come/s from a legal/investigative basis (my apologies in advance for the "potentially" poor terminology used). I am currently investigating a matter that requires an estimate calculation of the volume of ash remaining after coal has been burnt. I realise that there are many variables that may influence the answer to this question but request assistance none the less. I am informed by persons in the boiler making industry that the ratio in terms of weight is 20% of the coal burnt remains in the form of ash. This does not, however, help with a calculation in terms of volume (specifically in cubic meters), which my investigation requires. Can anyone please assist. Kind regards

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Re: Coal to Ash Calculation (volume)

02/04/2014 11:54 AM

If you have a piece of the coal in question you should be able to burn it and determine the value for yourself (are you sure you need the volumetric value?)

Other than that we would at least have to know what coal it is as there will be huge differences for the different kinds.

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Re: Coal to Ash Calculation (volume)

02/04/2014 12:14 PM

After a quick Google search, it appears that both fly ash and bottom ash both have a bulk density of about 1 ton per cubic meter.

So, using your figure of 20% ash, if five tons of coal were burnt roughly 1 cubic meter of ash would remain.

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02/04/2014 1:00 PM

Burning coal produces a lot of problematic emissions. I am very vocal in my opposition to the use of coal for power.

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The reason I told you that is to let you know you can trust me when I tell you your estimate of 20% of the weight of burned coal ending up as ash. It is probably much closer to 10% in most situations.

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Just so we are clear, coal can definitely be burned incompletely resulting in 20% weight ash, but any modern well run plant won't be wasting 10% of their fuel.

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EDIT: Here is one reasonable source that supports/confirms ash being closer 10% weight.

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02/04/2014 1:30 PM

I'm having regrets about calling that reference 'reasonable', though on the 10% ash by weight, the information seems reliable.

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The US burns around a billion tons of coal annually which produces around 100 million tons of solid combustion by products, little over half of which is fly ash, most of the rest being bottom ash.

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02/05/2014 12:15 PM

I am sure that the amount of ash depends also upon coal quality, how much stone or other un-burnable products are part and parcel of the coal?

Hilt's law

It is said "the deeper the coal, the better the quality!" So it also depends upon how deep it is taken from to a degree.....

The lesser the quality in that regard = more left over as ash.....but probably also as big lumps of melted stone that were used in buildings and roads and in my youth at least. We called it "Clinker".

(Clinker is defined as:- "Clinkers have been a recurring problem in all coal-fired boilers for as long as humans have operated coal boilers. Clinkers occur in small stoves used for heating a home and in giant commercial/industrial boilers. Clinkers, also known as slag, consist of the noncombustible elements and minerals found in coal that melt and fuse together as lumpy ashes from coal combustion. Boiler operators consider clinkers to be miserable stuff." Read more: http://www.ehow.com/info_12152358_causes-clinkers-coal-fired-boilers.html#ixzz2sT65EUVg)

I know that price and quality go hand in hand in any industry and I would suspect that some companies are going to try and save money by buying cheaper low quality coal and expect to have to get rid of larger quantities of ash and clinker.....

As a start, see here:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal

and here:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_assay

I would guess that a full test needs to be made to assess the amount of ash that is ACTUALLY produced from a specific coal type.....nothing else will be accurate.

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Re: Coal to Ash Calculation (volume)

02/04/2014 1:02 PM

I would imagine that it will vary greatly on two factors. What grade of coal [lignite, bituminous, anthracite, or refined coal] is being burned and the burning process [how hot] used to burn the coal. I would be very surprised if bottom ash of any coal and burning process would be 1/5 of the original volume or weight of coal. The resulting final density (mass divided by volume) of bottom ash maybe nominally 1/5 of the density of coal. I would expect many numbers of metric tons of coal would have to be burned to produce one kilogram of bottom ash.

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02/04/2014 1:38 PM

"...I would expect many numbers of metric tons of coal would have to be burned to produce one kilogram of bottom ash...."

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That expectation would result in significant surprise.

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One kilogram of the cleanest typical natural coal coal burnt completely would create around 50 grams of ash at a minimum, at least 5 grams of which would be bottom ash.

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02/04/2014 1:25 PM

...."The coal that is imported to Israel contains between 4% - 15% ash by weight, depending on the source of the coal, and averages about 10% - 12% depending on the overall composition of the variety of coals purchased.".....

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  • Fly ash, which constitutes 85% - 90% of the overall ash, is a fine, light gray powder made up of glassy spheres from sub-micron to more than 100 microns in size, (98% smaller than 75 microns; 70% - 80% smaller than 45 microns). The material has a specific gravity between 1.9 - 2.4, a bulk density of about 0.8 - 1 ton per cubic meter and a maximal density (modified) of 1,000 - 1,400 kg per m3. The specific surface area of fly ash varies between 2,000 to 6,800 cm2 per gram. Fly ash contains cenospheres - hollow spherical particles having an especially low bulk density of 0.4 - 0.6 ton per cubic meter, which constitute up to 5% of the ash weight and are suitable to be utilized for special industrial applications.
  • Bottom Ash, which constitutes about 10% - 15% of the overall ash, has an appearance similar to dark gray coarse sand, and its particles are clusters of micron-sized granules, up to 10 mm in diameter (60% - 70% smaller than 2 mm. 10% - 20% smaller than 75 microns).It has a bulk density of about 1 ton per cubic meter and a maximal density (modified) of 1,200 - 1,500 kg per m3."....

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http://www.coal-ash.co.il/english/

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02/05/2014 4:43 AM

Thank you for your assistance and the reference/s. The fantastic responses make me quite sad that I was not able to study engineering and become part of a fraternity which is clearly as astute as their profession requires. Thank you once again.

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02/05/2014 5:41 AM

Viking, Engineering college teaches basics, it is experience which counts more. Machinist with long experience is more knowledgeable than fresh engineer. I hope all will agree with me. So do not get demoralised if you are not engineer.

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02/04/2014 2:17 PM

I'd be careful about using information gained here, from anonymous posters, in a court of law.

Nothing produced here would have any legal standing.

If you claim this as your work product, you will be responsible for its accuracy and also any damage that might result if this information is found to be inaccurate.

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02/04/2014 3:28 PM

"Objection!

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Your Honorableness, it is clear that Barrister Lyn is trying to mislead this perfectly professional witness in an attempt to unduly influence the ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury! He claims erroneously that nothing produced here in CR4 would have any legal standing. Lyn knows full well the comments here at a minimum have legal standing as hearsay and inadmissible. I urge you to set an example showing everyone that tactics like logic and sound advice will not be tolerated in the court of aggravated ignorance."

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02/04/2014 4:29 PM

Contempt of Court!

You are sentenced to 2 minutes on the naughty step, second level!!

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02/04/2014 4:44 PM

Your Honor, as pro-facto representative of the accused, I throw him prostate on the mercy of the court.....and plead insanity!

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02/04/2014 5:02 PM

You keep his prostate away from this courtroom.

Your plea of insanity is accepted and you are sentenced to 20 years in the funny farm.

Sentence commuted to time served at CR4.

Defendant excused for lack of competent council.

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Re: Coal to Ash Calculation (Volume)

02/04/2014 4:18 PM

Conversion tables are well known and easily found if one knows:

How to Search the Internet - Hannon Library

Units Converter for Specific Gravity - Calculator.org

How to Find Volume when Given Mass and Specific Gravity

By using these calculators, and showing your work, you have something that will stand up in court.

The only thing left is to determine the SG of the coal.

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02/04/2014 4:45 PM

There is a whole raft of information on coals in Kempe's Engineer's Yearbook, any edition.

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02/04/2014 8:53 PM

Just curious: are you coming back with more information? Would be interesting to hear what this is all about.

Did any of the above help you with your quest?

All the best!

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02/05/2014 10:07 AM

Up in answer 17, in response to Solar Eagle's answer 5, VikingPI thanks CR4 for the astute help. Presumably, he has found what he needs and is off for parts unknown to raid and pillage and discreetly photograph through cheating spouses' windows in the name of Tyr.

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Re: Coal to Ash Calculation (Volume)

02/04/2014 11:28 PM

I haven't seen the definitive answer in the discussion yet so here goes to help you;

The ASTM defintion for determining the ash content of coal & coke is in ASTM Standard D3174.

This method determines the ash content by weighing the residue remaining after the coal is burned in rigidly controlled conditions of sample weight, temperature, time and atmosphere, oxidising or reducing. It is a recognised standard and shouldn't stand any argument from those in the industry.

For a little background, Combustion Engineering's "Combustion-Fossil Power Systems" and "Steam" previously published by Babcock & Wilcox.

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02/18/2014 5:55 PM

The last sample I had an analysis performed on was 4.52% ash by weight.

The plant burning the coal in question should have an average % ash content. The maximum ash content is usually a contractual obligation of the coal supplier.

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02/05/2014 5:45 AM

It also depends on the quality of the coal you are using. There are coals which have less ash content but are expensive.

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Re: Coal to Ash Calculation (Volume)

02/05/2014 8:35 AM

The answer you seek is very simple to obtain. I presume that this relates to a specific case/plant; consequently, it will relate to a specific range of fuels as coal fired power plants are designed to burn a specific range of fuels. So your investigating steps are as follows:

1. determine the specific fuel used at the plant your are investigating.

2. obtain a proximate analysis (this will show the percent of ash in fuel). Fuels can range from less than 10% to over 50% by volume so this is important.

3. determine the average tons per day of fuel fired.

4. find the "capacity factor" (how many days/year the plant runs at full load)

5. calculate the total ash generated and extrapolate for an annual total.

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02/05/2014 10:38 AM

Forgot to get you to cubic meters ... multiply tons by ~0.64 to convert to volume in cubic meters.

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02/05/2014 1:51 PM

"....multiply tons by ~0.64 to convert to volume in cubic meters....."

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Wow! That is handy. Very useful indeed. For example, merely reading was very useful in providing the opportunity to enjoy a good chuckle.

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02/05/2014 2:35 PM

That is clever.

A universal weight to volume conversion factor.

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02/05/2014 2:47 PM

The astronauts on the ISS must be incredibly tiny in the microgravity environment! I bet that helps to reduce the risk of being hit by space debris...but I'm surprised they don't lose track of more of them.

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02/05/2014 2:55 PM

Does this mean that the lunar modules and the Mars rovers occupy at least three different volumes.

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02/05/2014 3:50 PM

no, not a "universal weight to volume conversion factor" I just looked up the average density for coal ash.

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