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Nuclear Powered Airplane....?

02/15/2014 1:13 PM

"The US Aircraft Reactor Experiment (ARE) was a 2.5 MW thermal nuclear reactor experiment designed to attain a high power density for use as an engine in a nuclear-powered bomber. It used the molten fluoride salt NaF-ZrF4-UF4 (53-41-6 mol%) as fuel, was moderated by beryllium oxide (BeO), used liquid sodium as a secondary coolant and had a peak temperature of 860 °C. It operated for a 1000-hour cycle in 1954. It was the first molten salt reactor. Work on this project in the US stopped after ICBMs made it obsolete. The designs for its engines can currently be viewed at the EBR-I memorial building at the Idaho National Laboratory.

HTRE-3.

In 1955, this program produced the successful X-39 engine, two modified General Electric J47s with heat supplied by the Heat Transfer Reactor Experiment-1 (HTRE-1).[5] The first full power test of the HTRE-1 system on nuclear power only took place in January 1956. A total of 5004 megawatt-hours of operation was completed during the test program.[6] The HTRE-1 was replaced by the HTRE-2 and eventually the HTRE-3 unit powering the two J47s. The HTRE-3 used "a flight-type shield system" and would probably have gone on to power the X-6 had that program been pursued."

If fusion reactors were ever perfected, do you think that this means of propulsion could be resurrected?

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/10/bring-back-the/

"J3. Nuclear-Powered Jet Airplane Engines. A man with a Geiger counter stands in front of a vertical nuclear reactor intended to serve as a nuclear jet airplane engine. Directly behind it is a second reactor designed as a horizontal reactor engine. Nuclear-powered jet airplanes were conceived as vehicles for carrying nuclear bombs able to fly in a continuous holding pattern around the Soviet Union. But the program never got off the ground. It was made obsolete by long-range missile technology. These are the only two nuclear jet airplane engines in existence. They were developed between 1957 and 1961. Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho. 9 November 1984."

http://nonuclear.se/deltredici.j3.atomic.jet.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion

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02/15/2014 4:17 PM

"If fusion reactors were ever perfected, do you think that this means of propulsion could be resurrected?"

To what realistic end?

As stated, the technology stagnated because there was no perceived need to pursue. It wasn't shelved because fuel was expensive, newer technologies obsoleted this project in situ. There is no need for an aircraft to remain orbiting/loitering for weeks on end.

Pretty cool though... can this become practical for transoceanic passenger flights?

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02/15/2014 4:43 PM

Well it might be workable for just crossing oceans where no land is crossed, like that big flying boat thing....Transoceanic flight could be quite cheap, what with very little fuel cost....You could have a big tender type of dock....or small island....

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02/15/2014 4:30 PM

The big problem with HTRE (Heater)1, 2, and 3 was that they we're not designed with the idea of full containment of radioactive material.

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These engines spewed contamination, contaminating thousands of acres in Utah with millions of curies of long lived contamination over life the program.

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There are some areas where nuclear power really excels; Big electrical power plants, powering ships and submarines, deep space power plants. Airplanes are not a good fit.

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The compromises necessary to get to a usable weight, the need to even consider 'lightweight' shielding, make it a bad fit for airplanes.

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As far as fusion, perhaps, but probably only if it is the aneutronic variety so nothing gets highly activated, and there are no reactive liquid metals or some robust highly toxic coolant (molten fluoride salt.... I really don't know enough, just a suspicion, it might be worse than having jp9 fall on a field or apartment complex).

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02/15/2014 5:08 PM

I have often wondered about how well suited to powering railroad locomotives these small portable rectors might be being that locomotives are already electrically driven.

Weight wise on the railroad having three 210+ ton locomotives in a row to pull a train is not an issue but burning tens of gallons of diesel fuel per mile is which is where I imagine a robustly built mini reactor based power system would excel.

BTW radiation concern wise tons of radioactive material in shielded container cars are shipped by rail every day all over the continent yet very few people outside the railroad are ever aware of it.

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02/15/2014 5:17 PM

Brings to mind the movie "The Big Bus" , called Cyclops....lol

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02/15/2014 6:17 PM

That was hilarious. I loved when the did the test replacement of a wheel.

Then there was the bomb - classic Hollywood.

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02/15/2014 8:16 PM

James Garner was a cool dude.

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02/15/2014 7:02 PM

That does seem like an appropriate place the technology could be leveraged.

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02/15/2014 9:53 PM

That thing could scarcely float, let alone fly.

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02/16/2014 4:09 PM

How many flights do you think it could make before being highjacked or shot down? This is one bad idea which has come and gone (I hope).

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02/17/2014 4:14 AM

Such a plane would not need bombs to be dangerous, just crashing or being shot down would have contaminated a vast area of land for many,many years!!!

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02/17/2014 1:21 PM

Contamination of vast areas did not require even crashing or being shot down. HTRE tests released millions of curies of long lived radionuclides over thousands of acres.

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