Seven Wonders of the world

hmmm - I don't much care for any of these things. They're all old technology. How about Hubble? The shuttle? ISS? Dubai Palm Island? Petronas Towers? The human genome project? Cassini? Three Gorges Dam?

The choices on that site seem like they were put together by a tourist bureau.

Thanks for taking the time to look bhankii,

These people have money to spend on 1 of the listed projects.

Is is some kind of scam - I don't know.

If it's not - then how should we react ? I think people should know of their activites and be able to influence where they spend that money. There is something dubious in how I read the site , but if it costs nothing then why not cast a vote. I suspect somebody is making a % here , but if some of that gets diverted to the cause people think worthy then the chance should be taken.

We are looking at hugely imporant Engineering structures , many in poor countries, so anything we can do to preserve seens worthwhile. My source indicates they are getting 200,000 votes/day and expect 100,00,000 by close of vote. If an organisation is going to run that sort of campaign , then I'd like people to know. I think a free vote may as well be used. I stress that I do not know the credentials of this whole thing , but it can serve as a focus point. Many heritige things need saving , but where should resources go.

Your analysis is quite correct (in my opinion) but the reaity is that these places are saved or lost on popualr vote. Some sites on the voting list may not be here in the future - a vote may make a difference.

Hope that didn't sound aggressive , but things happen by default if we don't all say something. Imagine all the nominated places are going to be gone , and ask 'which one is most important to preserve'.

I quite like Angkor,The Kremlin, Neuschwanstein Castle (bin there), Petra, Stonehenge (Got drunk there) and Sydney Opera House (got drunk there too). Where does it say, in real life, that any of these are threatened? The Opera house is a national icon for Oz, Stonehenge is protected, The Kremlin - well they do what they want, but most Russians I know think it's a national treasure, so whats the deal here? I'm not voting, because I don't think you can have a popularity contest like this. (although the BBC did OK with restoration, and the publicity raised saved all the local buildings in my area anyway!)

By the way, you keep your icon, everyone has a right to have an annoying icon!

Its not really too late. I heard it not long before from our program.

I was told that there is no our Great Wall in this vote. I dont know why? maybe its only a fun.

there are many funs in the world now.

They may be bored with selecting beauty, so think out such idea.

Don't fret, your wall is part of it, I don't know what part!

I offer no comment or opinion yet , but this space may give people a place to voice their opinions on what has been missed out of the web-vote list

OK enough !!!

I wanted to see if /when anybody would point out that making a vote involves giving away your e-mail . Anybody smell a rat ?

I was curious because of another thread . People were asked to look at an online calculator (Which did nothing of any real use). The site contained click ads. I am not saying the particular poster was running a money-making operation , but that kind of thing makes me wonder.

I have no fact to say there is something wrong in the purpose of the 7 wonders site , but why would it need your e-mail ? To prevent multiple voting it could use reverse DNS lookup or something. Why would they want to sell a silly voting certificate.

On the site , anybody voting is made aware that they are giving away something (their e-mail) by voting. I have no reason to say this site is bad . But how about the general topic of the manner in which a thread starts.

Should a thread be started if it involves looking at a product (physical or otherwise) via a link ? Some sales pitches are not obvious . Any comments ?

I should probably weigh in here. In terms of the Seven Wonders site, they are probably putting together a mailing list to solicit donations at a later date: "You voted to save the Flatiron Building and that won, so please help us do it." If that's the case, it's not exactly underhanded since you did "voluntarily" give your contact information.

As to the question of products and sales pitches, on CR4 we do have a forum in the General Section called Commercial Space. Users are welcome to post one item there about their company and its products, as long as it's engineering related. The CR4 admin also manually moves posts to this area when they are obviously sales pitches.

The problem of course is that not every sales pitch is obvious. It's sometimes hard to tell the difference between a post by a product shill and one from a user who is not associated with a company, but wants to rave on about a product's quality or technological advances. There's a fine line there.

Unless its obvious, the CR4 Admin makes a judgement call. If in your travels through our forums, you come across posts you think cross the line into Commercial pitches, just click the "Report!" button and we'll look into it.

Thanks so much Chris.

I think the point needed underlining by somebody such as yourself. Hope my method of bringing this to the attention of folk who visit this thread is not too annoying. You may like to disable the link I gave (?).

Kris

"...making a vote involves giving away your e-mail . Anybody smell a rat ?..."

This rat is as old as the spam on-web. These days you may have unlisted phone number, with incoming spam-calls done automatically by some faceless routine inside some telemarketing box.

Are we made fun of?

Yes.

Those phone dialers are so annoying - pick up the phone and it's already dumped you off it's sucker list. Not even a rep to have a go at ( Yes I know , they are all underpaid and just trying to make a living. Funny , but burglars might say the same . Doing an unethical job does not get my sympathy.). I have had sales reps trying to demand that I listen to their whole sales patter ! The UK TPS (Telephone Preference Service) is fairly good at stopping this here , but it doesn't stop them all.

There are compelling reasons to keep a spare junk address for contacting companies you do not trust. 419eater and similar is enjoyed by some - personally I wouldn't waste the time or exposure ( I have heard of people getting bitten back by dos attack).

So basically, these days, you'd have to pay the com-service provider to protect you from on-going annoyance.

Nice. Just another type of mob-protection fee.

Percent of your income perhaps?

The TPS is 'free' - It is a sort of self regulatory thing payed for by the industry . It has plenty of critics , but it's better than nothing. The other alternative is to use caller-display and not answer/divert to oblivion numbers that aren't showing.

I don't much care for any of these things toooooooo. Because The Egyptian Pyramids located at Giza City are still the 1^st Wonders of the World.

Interests vary destinations.

Destinations vary interests.

Group interests seldom satify individuals.

Individual interest seldom satisfy groups.

Sir, you have an un answerable querie!!!

The "wonders" are all rocks and masonry piled up. Not one thing that will or has improved the human conditon.

Thanks to all who have posted. I shall be reading all comments , as peoples opinion of the 'Seven Wonders' is interesting. With CR4's global readership people may wish to mention lesser know 'Wonders' from their own country.

I hope that all people looking at this thread find a moment to think a little about the topic . I also hope that the post at #7 by CR4's lead Editor (Chris Leonard) is widely seen. Also please note all , that the Guru tag that I carry means nothing except that I post a lot.

Kris

In my mind, I thnk we should vote 10 great waste in the contemporary era to make people remember forever they are shame. they waste our human resource, money, manpower, material and even broke enviroment.

I like that idea cnpower - things that are a shame to humankind. There are 2 problems that immediately come to my mind though ;

A world vote on such things may develop along nationalistic lines and become political - block voting may affect the outcome.

Secondly , many shameful events relate to Business and Corporate power may be used to affect the vote.

It's a good idea though. A small voting fee could be used to help solve the most listed problems. Also looking into it here is a bit outside of CR4's purpose (I think). There are already many CR4 threads discussing eco-disasters related to human activity (especially wildlife).

Kris, its an easy thing, if you act it as a fun. its a difficult things if you take it series. Nothing is quite absolute fair in the world. if you insist on you can success.

goverment do itself thing, company do itself thing, all relate to benefit, their own benefit. ordinary people can also do their own things if you like them.

there are lots of things to discuss out of the room, but most of them are linked somewhere.

The issue is how do you deal with them.

Hi cnpower ,

You are right , especially about things being linked.

Perhaps with so much fact available today , the fact itself is less important. Knowing how all this information is related becomes more important. Fact is like the node points on a Spiders web , knowledge is understanding how the individual nodes function as a whole. www may be the most important acronym ever defined. Like my squirrel picture , I enjoy hopping around (though he unfortunately looks stuck on the same spot !).

Kris

series----serious; (correct)

You probably make fewer mistakes than I do cnpower ! I get too lazy about checking my own typing. At least you have a very good reason for getting words mixed up sometimes. I should be all the time ( except nobody can see me . he he).

Hi Kris:

did you notice that 2 of the candidates to be chosen as one of the new 7 marvels were built by the same person?: I'm talking about the Eiffel Tower in Paris and the Statue of Liberty!

Many people don't know that Eiffel had built the statue on the backyard of his house, disassembled it and sent it by ship to the US. If not wrong, I some parts got lost (or sunk) during transport fromFrance to US, having t be re-done.

Best regards, r&ddoc

Hi r&ddoc,

That's really interesting , I knew of the French conection but didn't know Eiffel was involved ! There is a mass of stuff on the web about the statue (and as you'd expect for such an icon , lots of it is a bit strange). I also hadn't heard of the model in France (which I think I just read had been vandalized) - I'll have to go see that sometime , it's a bit nearer !

Cheers , Kris

Hi Kris,

This morning I have been doing some intensive research about this issue no need to say 90% of sites have exactly the same info (coincidence?), until I found the image I saw many years ago in Paris:

This is the source for the image, and a good article s well: http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2004/12/icon-maker.html

Best regards, r&ddoc

That's a great picture . I was going nuts toggling to this phot in a link , here it is to make comparison easier ;

These people include me.

I know the tower and the status, I know the status is presented by French. But I really dont know their relationship until read your thread today!

It adds my history knowledge.

Just in case anyone is following this , the 'results' are now out.

Not exactly worth disclosing an e-mail address or sending money eh. Astonishingly , The Times has followed this %@*& as if it were credible ! Just goes to show , don't believe all you read. I may write to the idiots at the Times and see if they will give a reason for giving credibility to stuff like this.

Circulate a copy of the letter, mate, and maybe we can modify and send so they get more than one .

Hehe , Their brave 'journalist' gave out his name and e-mail inviting comment. I'll dig it out of the weekend papers and get back to you all soon .

richard.morrison@thetimes.co , is the inviting gent . To do him credit he did roll on to more interesting discussion . However , since several weeks ago The Times has been mentioning this nonsense as if it was some credible/meaningful survey. All editions have featured it . The Saturday edition positively encouraged people to take part. Whatever happened to Journalism - the kind of thing where they checked stories in a little detail . I will muse on a suitable e-mail for Mr Morrison and colleagues this evening.

Sounds good....

I mailed Mr Morrison and await his reply ........