A New Deadly Threat to Children?

I think the're great....It's the smoke and tar that was hazardous....No ashes, no burn marks, no annoying smoke, no ashtrays, no lighters, I can breathe again, I don't get winded like I used to....In short I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread....about 2 years now since I smoked a cigarette...switched in one day....You quite obviously are not a smoker, or you wouldn't be saying these things...Do you have any idea how many lives this will probably save?? Maybe in the 100's of thousands every year.....no it's not a perfect world, but with e-cigs it's one step closer.....

You were one on my mental list of people that I was sure would come to the defense of keeping bottles of liquid poison around the house.

I don't deny the benefits of the device, just the hazards of the uncontrolled poisons used in them.

You don't have kids living with you, I guess, but you can't possibly deny the toxicity of concentrated liquid nicotine, can you?

I'll be waiting for your links to the health benefits of ingesting liquid nicotine in small children.

I smoked cigarettes for over 30 years. I quit cold turkey.

These would certainly be among the least likely poisons in the home....they have childproof tops...hell I can't hardly get 'em off myself....I'd like to see you try and drink some, it's nasty tasting stuff....Would you please list all the children who have been poisoned? I can list the number of people who have died from smoking....

"I smoked cigarettes for over 30 years. I quit cold turkey."

So did I....now I vape....

These would certainly be among the least likely poisons in the home...

Yeah, love that Lemon flavored Oven Cleaner!

I am with you on this one. Nicotine is the most deadly part of the cigarette. eCigs are a wolf in sheep's clothing. That did not stop me from buying stock but then I have bought Microsoft and Apple when they started clawing their way upwards and still own plenty of energy stock. I don't mind making money on something evil. I actually was comforted when I filled up with outrageously priced gas knowing I was making lots of money while being reamed.

I have written my senator about the threat so my conscience is clear. I have little doubt ecig dollars with soften our law makers zeal to protect our children.

What's frustrating is a few years ago they were banned by the FDA as just another nicotine delivery system. What the heck happened to the ban? Why would you want to continue selling a major neurotoxin that is extremely addictive?

And your still exhaling unabsorbed nicotine from your lungs, and filling the room giving everyone second hand nicotine exposure. So, if you use these, don't exhale.

If we could get all of the potheads to vape instead I'd accept the e-cigs openly.

Gawd that sh!t stinks!

The pot heads already got this one figured out:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/abingdon/ph-ag-abingdon-cc-0326-20140324,0,2579768.story

Back in the 70s it was called hash oil. I am sure nicotine will improve that high.

Kinda like caffeine huh?

It seems that almost everything we humans crave is either addictive, illegal, fattening, or life threatening.

I grew up with smoking, have never been a smoker, but it never bothered me until after I suffered a life threatening electrical contact injury.

Now I have severe allergies to many things with tobacco smoke being at the top of the list.

For me it is simple: My not smoking is no threat to anyone arround me however every smoker I am arround is a threat to my health now.

I just wish people that smoke would be considerate enough to ask those arround them if it is ok to smoke before they light up and then not light up if anyone asks them not to.

I am confident that if the smokers do not become more considerate that we will see a total ban on the use of all tobacco products in public and in the work place shortly.

It is the kind of the opposite of caffeine.

I remember reading about a study done by Harvard 30+ years ago. More than half the professed Coke addicts could not tell the difference between pharmaceutical coke and a mixture of caffeine and lido-cane. Addiction for many substances is more mental than physical. Their minds need to indulge in something. Nicotine and opiates are not in this group! The cigarette companies know this and will make a killing.

Already here in Ottawa. No smoking in taverns, bars, restaurants or any public building. You know, I don't miss it.

that smoking ban has been around for allot of towns in Wisconsin.

Its actually more enjoyable to go out at night. come home and not smell and feel like an ash tray.

If you're breathing, you are inhaling pollution....WHO says air pollution kills 7 mil annually...

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2014/air-pollution/en/

I only breathe near coal fired generators

We just received notification at work that new research has been released which has labeled these devices as "dangerous to human health".

This has put our risk & liability group in the position to treat the vapor type the same as any other cigarette only to be used in smoke designated areas.

I agree that while they may somewhat be an improvement by eliminating the smoke and stench, the health risk presented by nicotene is still there and appears to be even more concentrated when vaporized.

The pot users have liquid THC that they instill into wax candles (DABS) and I am very sure that this and other illicit drugs are being used openly in the E-Cigs rampantly.

There has been several times lately that I have been exposed to an E-Cig smoker and almost immediatley have been overcome with a drug reaction that certainly is not nicotene biased.

I fear the worst but hope for the best wherein people consider the effect of their actions and behavior on innocent bystanders.

I do not buy Alzheimer's disease other than it might mask the symptoms. The disease is brought on because the subjects don't sleep enough and the toxins (beta amaloid I think) that are removed when you sleep coat the pathways of the brain making it in-operative. I can't see how nicotine will break down the deposits. Anti inflammatorys interfere with the waste coating the brain but I do not think we know how to remove the coating.

The rest I do believe but a cig or 2 a day is plenty. It is a powerful drug.

Life is full of vices, and I felt the best way of handling them is knowledge and information ^{(That would be facts)..} In other words, being informed, before it becomes one of your vices.

And after that, they have to make there own decisions and accept the consequences....... but some people believe that is cold hearted.

It is plain logic that inhaling the products of combustion, of any substance, is not a healthy practice.

Vaporizors are a far less dangerous method of intake.

As for secondhand vapor.....dunno.

Last project was a tobacco conditioning line....man it stank when it was up and running! The only folk who weren't running outside for a therapeutic chunder were the smokers/vapers.

The vapors coming of that line still made smoker's eyes water and to develop rashes, but those vapors were pretty concentrated. Smokers would run outside for fresh air and a smoke.....

"A deadly threat to children" ?? Roughly as deadly as bleach, antifreeze, weedkiller and lots of other things around the home. What you have to remember about e-cigarettes is that £7 of e-liquid lasts about as long as £80 of tobbacco or £120 of cigarettes. The guy's at Phillip Morris and British American Tobbacco etc will have large teams of people working on reasons to ban e-cigarettes or reduce their attractiveness to smokers, otherwise their business will be largely destroyed within a decade. These are the people that for years argued the health risks of smoking and its now in their intests to argue the opposite for e-cigarettes.

The relative economies depend on the price of cigarettes where you are located.

I pay USD0.38 for a pack of fags here

The prices shown in the next pic are typical for most brands

There is no market threat to tobacco leaf products here.

Folk do vape here, not for your common Joe though.

Vaping won't save you money here.

"Vaping won't save you money here."

But it might save your life....It certainly will improve your health and increase your energy level...and reduce air pollution...that's about what we used to pay here before the government started taxing tobacco products, ostensibly to pay for the health care cost deficit generated by smoking...

Agreed.

They are not taxing ecigs like tobacco products YET. eCigs are nearly pure profit for the tobacco companies. This is a major windfall for them.

Children are not as likely to consciously ingest bleach, antifreeze, weedkiller as they use ecigs. I also am not worried that they will beat themselves to death with rocks. I do believe bubble gum flavored ecigs is an attempt to lure children into this danger. They want to get 7 yr old's hooked instead of teenagers. Think of the extra profit and the level of addition users will be by the time they are old enough to be concerned with health risks.

There is at least one bill in the US to curtail this menace but I expect lobbyists will be able to get the law watered down. They don't need to study the problem since they are already experts on how to influence law makers. eCigs are manufactured by companies owned by tobacco companies. I own stock in the tobacco company that owns the ecig leader. eCigs has revitalized the tobacco industry.

OF COURSE they should be regulated. The question is, how much?

Can anyone tell you what's in that liquid you're vaping? Can they tell you it's safe and be believable? Do you trust them? Yes, it's easy to believe it's MUCH safer than a cigarette, but what ELSE is in it?

According to one manufacturer, White Cloud:

84-92% Propylene glycol (an FDA approved additive for various ingestible consumer products) and Glycerol

0-5% nicotine (I scaled down from 5 to 0 before deciding not to waste money on 0% ecigs)

8-10% flavorings

This is according to the White Cloud ecig website. Be aware that the manufacturers are under no obligation to be honest in their ingredient listing.

The exhaled vapor is said to be primarily water vapor with minimal traces of nicotine.

Hooker

Yes, and for 100 years it was said that tobacco smoke was harmless.

Some good comments here from all.

Some still believe it is harmless....

Then again by the time you hit 100, who cares!

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em granny!

One always has the option of "brewing' their own vaping liquid.

Some vaporisors can also heat straight tobacco to release nicotine vapour.

Absolutely

I'm not concerned about the instrument as much as the concentrated liquid used in them, now that they are re-fillable and virtually uncontrolled.

Your claim that you are "kicking nicotine addiction" with this device is debatable.

But I salute your efforts.

You've fallen victim to big tobacco trying to protect their market.....tobacco $80 bil↓ ecigs $1.7 bil↑....

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/02/story_on_the_shopkeeper.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=e-cigarettes-longtime-smoker-kicks-the-habit-and-launches-successful-business

There are 100's if not thousands of stories like this....

I'm no one's victim.

I could care less about the tobacco industry. The problem is tobacco enjoys subsidies and employs lots of American farmers.

The tobacco industry makes billions of dollars on people's addiction. So, money buys influence.

Kids can buy "bath salts" legally that can kill them too. Black tar heroin is coming back.

So, who cares about liquid nicotine?

Ok, ok. I am still addicted, and always will be, but I have been nicotine free since last September and tobacco free for almost a year. Let's not get tongue tied in semantics.

As far as the tools you describe that people purchase and use I would agree that they should have the same restrictions on sale to minors that any other nicotine product has.

However, I DO NOT agree that they should have all the other social and tax laws applied as they are not cigarettes. They do not have all the other hazardous chemicals that are emitted directly by cigarettes or through second hand smoke.

Even my current employer has gone off the deep end about the vape's. Until recently we had a no tobacco use policy on the employer's property or in their vehicles, but they did tolerate cigarette smoking in POV's in the parking lot.

Now they have instituted 2 outside smoking areas in the facility but have forbidden all tobacco use in POV's. The policy also specifically includes anything that could be identified as an e-cig, INCLUDING those that DO NOT contain tobacco or nicotine!!

I argued with them about this when I was still using the nicotineless vape's to no avail. To me,t makes no sense to allow tobacco use but to forbid nicotineless e-cig use in all but tobacco approved areas.

I also fought against a new company health insurance policy that lowered premiums for "non-tobacco users". After inquiring I was told that that includes any product that contains nicotine, not just tobacco products. Period, no if's, and's or but's. So, if you're on a stop smoking program that involves stuff like patches or gum, you're still penalized.

I worry that those who can be helped by vape's like myself are being victimized by this witch hunt incurred by an incorrectly perceived relationship between the products.

Hooker