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04/24/2014 7:15 AM

Hi! I have recently bought a 27' x 56' housing plot and I would like to construct a decent house within this plot. I prefer gardening space all around the three sides and a front foyer & parking space. The ground floor plan shall be for a double bed room with attached bath & toilets, a hall/living room, a kitchen, a dining room, a pooja room, a common bath and a common toilet. The first floor plan shall be as above.

I live in Tamilnadu/India and the plan shall be for typical Tamilnadu style houses.

Can you please help me with some tentative plans?

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04/24/2014 8:02 AM

draw a sketch of your plot, and house that includes your wish list...... you may be surprised of your limited space.

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04/24/2014 9:12 AM

Go vertical....

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04/24/2014 9:19 AM

Yes, and I like to have my car garage on the top level......... how can I do that?

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04/24/2014 9:25 AM

It's dooable...

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04/24/2014 9:30 AM

...but I think a garden would be better....

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04/24/2014 9:39 AM

Where does the heliport go?

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04/24/2014 9:50 AM

Well on the roof, of course!

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04/24/2014 9:58 AM

Perfect, and it fits my lot too.

Many thanks.

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04/24/2014 5:25 PM

What? No indoor pool?

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04/24/2014 9:11 PM

Have you contacted your local building officials? Is the property zoned (that may be a unique concept) for residential single family. If so, what are the set backs from all edges of the property? In this area of the world, are basements a common architectural occurrence? Are multi stories allowed. Do you have water and sewer provided, or do you have to have a septic system, with cistern or well. In my locality you must have 150 ft (50m) separation of the well and septic drain field.

This is a very narrow and shallow lot, what are your limitations? What are the standard building materials in your area? Start with the limitations of what you can't build.

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04/24/2014 10:18 PM

Thanks, Lyn! That's the first meaningful reply to my query.

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04/24/2014 11:54 PM

If someone comes down those stairs just as someone else opens the front door....!

Nonetheless, a good initial proposal.

For the OP: Why should the first floor duplicate the ground floor? What is a "pooja" room? Why was Solar Eagle's 3-storey suggestion not meaningful? What are the principal Tamil Nadu house features? Is that architect's sample a good representation?

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05/03/2014 10:59 AM

Nope. The doorway for the stairs is on the outside wall.

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05/03/2014 11:25 AM

Look again. Note that when the door is 45° open, its edge will be about where the word "UP" is, so that someone could collide with it edge-on, rather than broadside.

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05/03/2014 11:30 AM

I still think the entry to the stairs is on the outside wall. Going up will get you to the level at the opposite end from the door.

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04/25/2014 9:43 AM

Where's the pooja room?

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04/25/2014 10:07 AM

That will be determined after the house is located. It will be in the northeast corner.

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04/25/2014 10:33 AM

LOL, makes sense to me.

I have to say that I have learned from this thread. In all my world travels I had no idea what a Pooja room was.

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04/25/2014 8:29 AM

Your house plot is about 1/2 the size of local gardens...you might do a search for 'micro' or 'tiny house plans' usually built as mobile units.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amTkene5JLo

Is about a schoolteacher with an 8'x20'. Just one of many 'american' ideas of living in small areas. You could park 4 of these on your lot and rent out 3 and still do a small garden.

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04/28/2014 11:30 AM

There are numerous websites on Tamilnadu houses and architects, so it's apparent what's really aimed at in the request for help is avoidance of professional fees. An old adage applies; "Penny Wise, Pound Foolish". It saddens me when the most costly thing to probably ever expend cash on is reduced to three lines to CR4. Necessity for info on setbacks, height restrictions, location of services points etc. has been commented on by others. But it's also essential to know orientation of the plot, and any decent designer needs a basic 'brief' on family size, life-style, etc. For instance, would an open-plan kitchen be acceptable? By duplicating two floors, the house ends up with four toilets - or maybe the top floor is for letting out? At least I discovered a pooja is a meditation/prayer room, preferably located for the right 'Vastu'.

As an architect I must admit I shuddered at the images of Tamilnadu-style houses and couldn't find any definitive ethnic style, but amongst the bizarre hotch-potch there are a few reasonable ones. One that particularly drew my attention is indeed on three floors, with ground floor reserved for parking, garden etc., drawn by Nplanners,Tanjavur. I'm not sure they were the actual designers, but it's a start!

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04/28/2014 10:23 PM

It's good to hear an architect's view on this.

Where do you ply your trade?

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04/29/2014 4:02 AM

Hi Wal

I hail from Cape Town South Africa, but these days don't ply my trade all that much since I'm an ancient 77. I was thrilled to see where you live. Some 8 years ago I took myself on a three-week back packing trip to Thailand, and ended up roaming around Cambodia and Laos for three months. Wonderful memories of Angkor Wat, a slow trip down Tonle Sap lake and Phnom Penh, where I was amazed at the number of motor cycles. Nearest I've ever come to a heart attack was a motorcycle taxi trip to the Laos Embassy! After that, needed a week to recover in a little fan-cooled room right on the beach in SihanoukVille, before heading for Laos by bus, which broke down about ten times!

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04/29/2014 4:29 AM

Did you get up to the top of Bokor Mtn, near Kep, on the way back from S'ville, to check out the old casino and church?

By road to Laos via Stung Treng, bus was resting not broken, loads of nice timber villas in that town. Pretty sure an architect didn't design them but they're still nice and appropriate for where they are.

I don't suppose you had an architect's eye as you traveled?

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05/01/2014 11:02 AM

Didn't go to the top of Bokor, despite being told I should. Neither did it occur to me the bus was only resting..... I'm clearly unperceptive!!

Not too sure what you mean by 'an architect's eye'. All I know is that I've been far more charmed by ethnic building simplicity in all parts of the world including rural Cambodia rather than the hideous monstrosities that get called 'architecture' in far too many countries including my own somewhat 2nd world one!

From your perfect use of English I presume you're an expat from somewhere and not Cambodian?

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05/01/2014 7:39 AM

Hi Electricalexpert65

I don't regard myself as an expert in anything, but I've been involved in low-cost housing on small plots for many years and your accommodation requirements intrigued me and got me thinking. So I've produced a sketch plan, without having a clue as to required building lines, orientation of plot, family size, your attitude to 'open plan' living or your budget. And you still haven't informed why you want two identical floors, resulting in two living and dining rooms, two kitchens and four bathrooms!! My approach has been aimed at simplicity and cost rather than style or prestige!

You may not simply use this plan, but if you care to answer the above questions I'm prepared to have a further go at trying to assist you.

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That is a very generous post mate.

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05/03/2014 8:37 PM

Further to the disagreement/argument between Tornado and Munster, I side with Tornado on his ability to correctly read a plan. However,although the front door could potentially be a hazard to anyone descending the stairs, it's a front door, and will in all likelihood not be opened violently by someone coming home. But personally, I'd reverse the swing; still opening in, but hinges on the staircase side.

I'm more concerned with the validity of this plan for other reasons. From my experience, only in very low economic environments do zero building lines on both sides prevail, but since we have received no info on this point, who knows?? Also, where's the bath or shower? But at least the store room could be used for either of these. Also, there's no 2nd bathroom/guest toilet.

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05/03/2014 11:16 PM

only in very low economic environments do zero building lines on both sides prevail

Don't think so. In most cities the neighbouring properties are right up against each other especially in affluent inner city urban/commercial environments. Space is money.

If you want curtelage you have to head for the suburbs or beyond where space is cheaper.

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05/11/2014 1:12 PM

I was probably somewhat glib in my comments regarding zero building lines and agree this applies in all inner city commercial situations. I also live in an urban complex where all 100 units in narrow sections abut in several blocks. But these were designed by one architect, and then sold 'sectional title' (Photos available). In my experience, with narrow plots in individual ownership, there's often a design conflict from plot to plot, leading to a thorough mess. I've now modified my single storey offering, with the house on one side boundary and 1,8 garden on the other. This hopefully complies with zoning requirements, but who knows?

I've waited several days to assess the situation, but it's now obvious the initiator of the forum has abandoned interest; aside from comment on Lyn's plan, there's abysmal silence. A pity, because I find the problem interesting, and in addition to my single storey solution, have designed tentative 2 and 3-storey solutions, dependent on accommodation requirements, local authority constraints and budget. Possibly the result of too much time on my hands, or maybe sheer masochism!! I'm not producing plans here because of awareness of potential to 'rip them off', but I can certainly say the accommodation requirements on the plot are easily fulfilled.

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06/08/2014 1:21 PM

You abandoned CR4. Out of interest I tried to solve your housing problem and came up with solutions on one, two and three storeys. I'd be interested to know if you solved you house plan dilemma to your satisfaction, and id if so, what plan and with whom??

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Dude, you can do smarter. For example, I did so. When I had no ideas how to make repairs or how to build a house, I wrote to this construction company http://avenue-south-residence.com.sg and pretended to be a potential buyer. I asked them to send me the examples of how the house/apartment would look like from the inside and outside, and also asked them to send photos of these rooms. These guys always sent me drawings, and some I took for the groundwork for my own works ))

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