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Equipment with Different Voltage and Frequency

07/02/2014 4:31 AM

I have chance to get few equipment using primary supply at 380V,60Hz in place of 415V,50Hz. power supply I have. Now how will the change in voltage and frequency affect, the 1. Motors 1 HP to 50HP,

2 PLC's( Allen Bradly/Siemens),

3.Heaters of 110V, 24V,

4 Control relays,

5 AC/DC converters,

for these bunch of equipment. What I need to change/replace in each category as mentioned? Otherwise I may need 250 KVA unit to convert Voltage and Frequency.

Please advice.

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Re: Equipment with different Voltage and frequency

07/02/2014 4:44 AM

A1) the motors may turn 60/50 times faster although the lower voltage may cause some of them to stall, which is not a problem provided their overload trip devices are correctly set. If some of them do stall, then they will need to be replaced with motors intended for the revised voltage and frequency. If there is equipment that is speed dependent, then a local assessment will be needed as the increased turning speed may affect the torque presented to the motor and overload it.

A2) It depends upon the input specification of each PLC, the details of which are not given in the original post. Check the specification sheets for each piece of equipment. If these are not available for whatever reason, use the telephone to ask the manufacturer directly.

A3) Expect a 110V heater or a 24V heater to blow on a 380V supply, if its circuit overcurrent protection device doesn't operate beforehand.

A4) A 380V control relay is a very rare beast. Most lower-voltage relays will catastrophically, spectacularly and irreversibly self-disassemble when provided with such voltages. A 415V relay may or may not work on 380V, and may or may not operate at the higher frequency. In the absence of any information on the type of relay, either read the relay specification sheet or telephone the manufactuer directly for advice.

A5) It is not possible to say without seeing the equipment, so do the same as in A2 above.

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Re: Equipment with different Voltage and frequency

07/02/2014 1:38 PM

And not a single mention of the IEE regs - good work.

Could add that the current at 60Hz be a tad higher as well (for tad read a lot) other than that good comprehensive answer.

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Re: Equipment with different Voltage and frequency

07/02/2014 4:57 AM

THe 380 volt source sounds like you possibly have a 380/600 three phase Wye system.

The frequency will mostly only affect the motor speeds and ideally going up from 50 to 60 Hz you would want to increase your motor drive voltages not drop them. On top of that if any of the loads are speed sensitive it would be necessary to change out gearing or speed changing parts of the drives to get the right ratios back.

Fortunately moving the voltage up would put you in the more common 480 VAC working range where a common boost type auto transformer would help you out a lot and if you do have a 600 VAC capable source getting 480 out of it is easy and can be done with most any common 480:120 transformer set up in a auto transformer configuration.

The rest of the issues you have will mostly just be about getting the correct system voltages to power the electronics and again that is not so hard to do with the proper ratios of buck or boost transformer use.

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Re: Equipment with Different Voltage and Frequency

07/02/2014 10:29 AM

It is advisable to use a converter to change the voltage and frequency. We used to get US make equipment with 380 V 60 HZ but we always provide converter along with the machine otherwise we have to procure it locally otherwise the motors get burnt out in continuous use. There is all possibility of malfunctioning if the PLC

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Re: Equipment with Different Voltage and Frequency

07/02/2014 12:18 PM

There are ways to convert both voltage and frequency to what all of this equipment desires. To do this will cost additional liability, time, effort and money. Why should one bother to do this.

Buy the right stuff for your local power in the first place. It will be cheaper and safer in the long run.

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Re: Equipment with Different Voltage and Frequency

07/03/2014 12:38 PM

1. Are you sure it's 380/60 415/50? and not vise versa?

2. it will most probably effect motors only, cuasing the 50 cycles motor to turn 20%faster. And depending on the load, might get hotter. for example, the 50HP motor if operated at max load will have to be derated by 20% to a max of 40HP.

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