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How Are Such Circuits Designed Actually?

07/08/2014 10:20 PM

Okay. I am still understanding a lot in circuit design. I would like to know how such circuits like in the link below are designed. Is it through some sort of bottom-up approach of compiling smaller circuits and connecting the output of one to the input of another?

Or is it another approach? The things below are welding inverters.

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We learn about components separately and then transistor biasing, but for this there has to be something more. If I understand it right these circuits output high current for welding purpose. Could someone begin to explain the method of learning such designs?

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Re: How are such circuits designed actually?

07/08/2014 11:06 PM

Its a big ask you have here. Basically if I understand your question right you need to know how to learn!

Where are you standing in your live and what facet of Learning did you master up until now?

Who is we? How okay are you understanding the circuit designs then? Or did you mean: don't understand?

Circuit design will be for the purpose it was made. So it starts with what it needs to do. Then it goes on with what can make it do what it needs to do. Then it sort of folds out into branches of the various components that need to work together up to the design draft. Maybe you need to learn more about the various existing components that are there and their special features. From there you will be able to put things and things together.

Also I believe there is design tools available that would help drafting out the circuits.

Sorry not from this branch so really only a general approach. Somebody else will maybe able to help more.

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07/08/2014 11:22 PM

Start by taking some high power electrical circuit design courses.

Knowledge cannot be assimilated by discourse unless you have 9 months.

Self study may help and below is a web site that may be useful.

Others are available by searching.

an introduction to high frequency pipe and tube welders

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07/08/2014 11:32 PM

The first thing you need to learn is how to read the Russian language. Then you decipher the the components and how they interact with each other, then you wire them together, apply power. And if done properly you will have harnessed the magic smoke!

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07/18/2014 1:00 PM

I didn't notice that the schematics were in Russian until you mentioned it, I was busy tracing out the circuit groups and leaving the ICs as 'black box devices' until I needed to work out what the ICs were for.

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07/19/2014 5:00 PM

It would make your life easier if they were translated into your native language. At least you'd know the names and maybe even some values.

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07/22/2014 4:43 PM

Values are easy, they're still using Arabic numerals, and I remember that in Europe they use . for , and , for .

Resisters are in ohms, capaciters are most likely in microfarads, inductors are typically in milihenris, and all the semiconductors have their ID numbers listed.

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07/08/2014 11:39 PM

You must take into consideration all relevant factors....What materials you are going to weld, what the throughput is going to be, what are the available power sources likely to be...What budget do you have to work with....what special considerations has the customer requested, if any....Then you might look at other designs to see if they would be suitable for this application.....if they have any design flaws or customer complaints of problems with premature failure under certain conditions...Then you can adapt an existing design or modify it, or completely start from scratch if nothing seems suitable.....The design must be easy to assemble and maintain, and use 'off the shelf' parts, if possible....Then you design and build an engineers model to test the design...knowing what current will be required and range of control, design life, and other factors, will define what basic components will be needed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welding_power_supply

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07/09/2014 3:51 AM

There is a basic problem here.

Electronic design with a few simple components and a transistor is fairly complicated.
It generally is learned using low voltages, small signals and low currents. Digital stuff is then learned as it is relatively easy, then op amps etc.

Moving on to power circuits needs experience and requires understanding of more detail. It is generally considered to be a specialization. It is beyond the scope of beginners or anyone without a 'scope.

If you want to design power circuits, master the basics then study books and manufacturers appliction notes for the devices you will use.

In small signal circuits, the component layout and circuit board design is relatively easy. In high frequency circuits or power circuits it is critical.

A good approach to learn such things without the risk is to design small scale versions. E.G design an inverter to run on 12v Dc to produce 48v at half an amp

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07/09/2014 11:47 AM

How to begin the method of learning such designs is to start small and build up your knowledge. Choose projects within your reach, mastering each one before moving on to the next.

If you were learning how to cook, would you start by catering a banquet? That is what you are attempting here. Although it is possible in theory, it is also highly unlikely and you will only end up discouraged in the end. Start small and build up.

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07/09/2014 11:22 PM

4+ years of study to learn how electronics work

20+ years of experience to learn how electronics really work (or don't)

indeterminate (depends on the project size and complexity) amount of time to define what is required, write specs, etc

Time (weeks to years depending on size and complexity of the design) to research, find suitable components, design a circuit, build and test the design.

Dollars and time to package and design useability into it (man-machine interface, erognomics, etc)

Dollars and time to have the design tested for compliance to all the regulations

more time and dollars to rectify any deficiencies

marketing, sales etc

The above is not a chronological sequence and several of the above should happen in parallel with much consultation and discussion...... but often it does not happen like that!!!

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07/09/2014 11:51 PM

People ask me "How do you do that?". I tell them, I don't know. I see pictures and I write them down. My brain does all the creative work. It's beyond my conscious mind. I assess the need and wait for ideas to pop out. I realize this will in no way help you. Sorry about that.

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07/10/2014 3:26 PM

If you are referring to designing electronic circuits from scratch, then it will be very hard for a beginner since it involves /requires a lot of thorough understanding and knowledge of inter-related different fields. It is kind of complicated...

Now-a-days I can pretty much say from experience that almost all the different types of electronic circuitries utilizing different ypes of components have already been designed and tested. Designed, tested and used in thousands of different and varying applications as intended for by the original designers and different device manufacturers..

However, although they are readily available, there are a lot of other things you need to do to them to make them work and function as you choose to?

One of the basic things needed, as an example is, you will need to understand how each of those pre-designed circuits operate, how to interface / couple individual circuitries to function and behave as you desired.

And it is imperative, very important to understand impedance matching for maximum power transfer as an another pre-requisite of circuit design!

I think the above simplified overview of what the minimum tasks are involved in a "design" work should help you decide what you really think you can as oppose to what you really want, and base on what you really are at present?

Good luck!

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