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AVK Alternator 1240 kva Type DIDBN 130H/10

08/01/2014 10:36 AM

I have rewound a alternator's Main rotor, excitation rotor, excitation field and aux stater also,after all we fitted back and produced voltage after two weeks running the main rotor ,excitation field and excitation rotor totally burnt ,the air gap was 5 mm four sides between main rotor and main stater ,may I know what would be the reason to burn ..thanking you......zen zen

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Re: avk alternator 1240 kva type DIDBN 130H/10

08/01/2014 10:50 AM

Start here: Newage-avkseg - Frontier Power Products contact their field engineering department.

Or, read the troubleshooting section of the operators manual.

Or, hire a service tech to come and look at it.

Or, call the re-winders and ask them for help.

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Re: AVK Alternator 1240 kva Type DIDBN 130H/10

08/02/2014 6:48 PM

Seems like you did everything but determine the root cause of the original failure. As you can see if you don't figure out what went wrong how can you possibly know that you've fixed it? Hire some competent engineers to assist you.

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Re: AVK Alternator 1240 kva Type DIDBN 130H/10

08/03/2014 1:09 PM

yes sir , I shall explain what was the main cause to burn first, the non drive end bearing landing area, bearing no#nu 232 c3,was seized there, the true size is 160 mm ,but it was 156 mm then the rotor rubbed and the main rotor,excitation rotor,excitation field and aux excitation winding also burnt while running,then I examined the air gap before disassemble there was no air gap bottom side ,that was the cause to burn first, we have not changed the genuine data ,we followed the genuine data to rewind the alternator ,hope this will find good response from you,thanking you ,yours faithfully ,zen

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Re: AVK Alternator 1240 kva Type DIDBN 130H/10

08/03/2014 2:34 PM

Thanks for the feedback. Seems odd that undersized bearings, which is a purely mechanical problem, would lead to total failure of nearly everything associated with the electrical side of of the excitation system. And how did the unit pass any of your initial acceptance and commissioning tests with tight bearings? Something does not add up...

There may be a ground fault somewhere, but twice??? Let the factory technicians take over the entire repair through re-commissioning this time.

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Re: AVK Alternator 1240 kva Type DIDBN 130H/10

08/04/2014 11:07 AM

dear sirs, please accept my thanks for your benevolent response ,yes it happened first due to the mechanical problem ,before rewind the main rotor we welded and machined as per the bearing size [bearing no;#nu 232 c3],and we rewound the main rotor,excitation rotor ,excitation field and auxiliary field too ,after all we dynamically balanced the main rotor with excitation rotor ,cooling fan and auxiliary rotor ,after assembled all we checked megger readings that is main stater,main rotor , excitation field, excitation rotor and auxiliary field are 1000 meg ohms,1000 meg ohms, 2000 meg ohms 2000 meg ohms,and 2000 meg ohms respectively ,before starting the generator we have done all alignments also,after all we start the generator with out load then the voltage was 440v ,60 hz,and the rpm was 720,after half an our we synchronized the generator with another same generator and gave the load up to 500 kw and stopped the no;#1 generator [we rewound the no;# 2 generator]this generator worked for one month without overheat,without vibration and without any wrong noise ,after one month the main rotor ,excitation rotor and excitation field burnt , we cannot understand what is the reason to burn ,still the main stater and auxiliary field are good and megger value is 1000 meg ohm and 2000 meg ohms ,expecting your valuable reply,....thanking you ,yours faithfully zen

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Re: AVK Alternator 1240 kva Type DIDBN 130H/10

08/05/2014 12:16 AM

Zen Zen,

the cause of first failure was Bearing Failure.. Rubbing of Rotor and Stator.. Localised Heat Generation and the Winding Failure..

You have rectified the Bearing Fault and rewound all windings and recommissioned the Alternator..

You just said about the synchronising this Alternator with the otherone, after synchronising you have observed unusual behaviour like over heating, vibration and undesirable Noise... all these indications shows that the synchronising is not properly done.

you have found the Excitation system (Main Rotor, Exc Stator and Rotor) of the alternator burnt. this necessarily means that after synchronising the KVAR sharing between the generator is not properly done. This generator is loaded with Low Lagging PF and the other might have been loaded with sligntly leading PF.

We have seen such incidences where the Excitation system of the Alternator gets overheated due to poor KVAR sharing between synchronised Alternator..

Please take care during sync....

Regards,

Vishram LELE

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Re: AVK Alternator 1240 kva Type DIDBN 130H/10

08/05/2014 10:41 AM

dear sirs, thanks for the instructions, and we have rewound the burnt main rotor, excitation rotor excitation stater and auxiliary field of the alternator again,and all meger values are now okay ,and we will inspect all sides such as alignment, air gaps and meger values of all windings and cables etc,and we will observe the voltage ,cycles ,rpm and power factor before synchronizing and after synchronizing ,remember one after synchronizing we will stop the other generator and we will observe this generator's voltage ,current, cycles,power factor ,heating and noise ,how ever now we are going to recommissioning the generator this 6th Aug .....thanking you

yours faithfully...zen

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Re: AVK Alternator 1240 kva Type DIDBN 130H/10

08/05/2014 12:50 AM

Normally there are quality check / inspection sheets which record all clearances, gaps and other parameters (these sheets are prepared by quality assurance in consultation with design department) and filled by assembly department. If this practice is followed then perhaps such mishaps could be avoided.

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