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Fresh Mechanical Engineer Entering The Pipeline Installation Industry

08/07/2014 6:16 PM

HiI'am a fresh graduate with a bachelors of engineering in mechanical engineering. During an interview for a job opportunity in crude oil pipeline installation, the interviewer warned me that if i got the job and entered this domain it will be really hard for me to enter another mechanical engineering domains in the future such as HVAC, manufacturing,aviation , automation etc.
I didn't choose the job opportunity because i like the domain of pipeline installation, i chose it instead because:
1-It pays good compared to other jobs, and i need that money to get a masters degree later2-I didn't score high grades in my university, so i couldn't enter other high paying jobs that requires a high GPA such as consulting, investment, design etc.
This job opportunity i got has a bad reputation by forcing tough lives on the people working there. Its on site in the middle of the desert, i may have to stay a couple of consecutive months on the project. I don't want to spend the rest of my career on some desert isolated from civilization. I always wanted to work something related to investment, trading, management ,sales, consulting, manufacturing in any bank, corporate ,or engineering firm etc.
If i started this job in pipeline installation, how hard will it be to change my career track in the future? How much will a masters degree help me with achieving this?
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08/07/2014 6:39 PM

You have answered your own question.

"I didn't score high grades in my university, so i couldn't enter other high paying jobs that requires a high GPA such as consulting, investment, design etc."

A masters may help, but a few years of actual work is what you really need.

You have high expectations backed by average accomplishments in school. Not good for starting out at the top. You also don't have the luxury of choosing from a number of jobs, since you only mention one offer.

You also exhibit a trait common to many who come here asking strangers for advice, when they know absolutely nothing about you. You want it all, now.

Take the job, get a few years experience, then a masters in whatever field you choose after maturing some more, which is what you really need to do.

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08/08/2014 12:45 AM

Touched a nerve?????

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08/07/2014 6:55 PM

Study hard, or work hard.....you've already made the choice.....I don't think you are being realistic, you don't get to where you are having headed in another direction...what you want and what you think you want, do not seem to be one in the same....I agree, get some work experience and reevaluate your goals in say, 2 more years...If at that time you choose to head in another direction, nothing can stop you....at the very least you will gain experience and motivation...both valuable commodities....

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08/07/2014 7:31 PM

I've always wanted a Veyron, that wont be given to me either. you've got to earn your salt in this world

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Re: Fresh Mechanical Engineer entering the pipeline installation industry

08/08/2014 12:34 AM

One of my best friends is the Galvanic Protection Manager for a major natural gas pipe line company. His advice to anyone thinking about working for a pipeline company is the only way to do it is if you are strong of body, weak of mind, tolerant of ignorance, tolerate distant locations, like to wear patched and stinky clothes, willing to work for/with idiots, willing to work in very hot locations (also windy, extreme cold, extreme heat, extreme dryness, excessive humidity and have an IQ of less than 90 go ahead and try it. That's for the operating company.

For the construction crews include willing to work long hours, do not suffer from claustrophobia, willing to use X-ray units, work around heavy construction equipment, willing to climb steep grades, willing to climb down steep grades, willing to work in infectious water, willing to work under heavy pipe loads, willing to tolerate flash burns, willing to work with little water to drink, willing to be far from home for months on end and several others, go ahead and try to get the job. Your friends and family will start to call you crazy and have lost your mind.

Look at some of the videos on youtube. Especially the ones titled "a pipe liner". It is a very good example of what some pipe liners are like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPnNpKVe8GQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PDJ0xHidiI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kw7pYqLjpE

Remember this is indirectly from a guy who has worked 25 years in the industry. Get a real job and work hard and study hard for a few years. That investment will be well worth it when you are ready to go for the good jobs.

Remember that big money, high status, executive lunches and a company Mercedes-Benz only go to the smart ones, the hard workers and the owners children. Be smart and get more education and experience and you will achieve these. Outsmart the owners children, they will mess up sometime and they will be working for you.

Good Luck, Old Salt

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08/08/2014 1:11 AM

You may have come to the wrong place.

Although CR4 appears to be an "engineer's" forum, there are many individuals here who have a passing interest in simple engineering type practices and have never actually been employed or licensed in the engineering field.

Look towards professional organizations or local unions where you can validate the person whose opinion you seek. I would advise not reaching out to anonymous characters who may be children or wannabe garage mechanics.

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08/08/2014 1:35 AM

Very well put.

I couldn't agree more.

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08/09/2014 4:53 AM

Seconded

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08/08/2014 2:28 AM

Or lumberjacks?

Be more careful of what you say.

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08/12/2014 12:02 AM

. . . pressing wild flowers?

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08/08/2014 3:03 AM

Or masquerading as a French Policeman.

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08/08/2014 11:17 AM

sounds legit...

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08/08/2014 3:02 AM

You want this job to complete your Master's degree and you are saying that you will have to stay at the site which is in between the deserts for month so when will you get the time for your studies and for preparing your examinations as the pipeline installation work takes a lot of energy out and by evening you will be tired so when you will prepare for your examinations. so choose any other job so that you can score good grades in your Master's degree and get time to study.

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08/08/2014 9:03 AM

Crasher,

The Long Road from Study to Wisdom

1 Study gets the Grades

2 Grades get the Diploma/Degree

3 Diploma/Degree gets the Interview

4 Interview allows for a Presentation

5 Presentation gets the Job

6 A Job is an Opportunity to Perform

7 Your Performance keeps the job

8 The Job brings Experience

9 The Experience multiplies Knowledge

10 Knowledge properly used is Wisdom

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You are only at step 3, choose wisely.

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08/08/2014 10:14 AM

"...the interviewer warned me that if i got the job and entered this domain it will be really hard for me to enter another mechanical engineering domains in the future such as HVAC, manufacturing,aviation , automation etc."

Hmmm. And you're just going to accept this? Are you, as an individual well versed in critical thinking, willing to alter your life path on a seemingly baseless comment? Do you really believe that, after a year, you would be stuck there?

If you don't want to bleed and you don't want to sweat, that's okay; just admit it and go forward. However... the adventure, the work experience, exposure and perhaps lasting associations with some (probably) pretty smart people, big money for hard work... these things are not without appeal.

If I were single and twenty-something again, I would give this some serious thought. This isn't necessarily a career path for you, it's perhaps a few of the stepping stones along your path.

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08/08/2014 2:06 PM

Thank you all for your advice. I forget to mention an important point. My main goal is to land a job in either europe or USA. But since iam neither american nor european , this wont be possible unless i got a masters degree from a university there. I've know and heard of a lot of people and who did that and succeeded. I believe i got too scared when i thought that this current job will be a dead end. Instead i hope this Masters degree can serve to re-orient my career as some of you have suggested,and grant me a card to EU or USA. But in order to make this possible, i need some funds to handle my tuition and living expenses during my upcoming education. And that's why i will be taking this current job and staying in it for 2 years max. Thanks again.

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08/09/2014 8:18 PM

No job is a dead end unless you stay there forever. Every assignment will add to your intelligence and may be a worthy memory. Unless you are not conditioned to learning this will benefit in no small way. I have worked all over Canada including the oil sands both in skilled trades and engineering and a wonderful experience of course not all good. My son who is an engineer refused to leave his city due to his buddies now laments not being a real engineer. He was advised, now he has issues with me because of my experience. So be it. One or two years on the pipe line will do you good and you will mature, be smart keep out of the alcohol and other temptations, learn and teach it is a short life not to have some unique experiences.

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08/11/2014 10:01 AM

Take a good look at the GA's, very sage advice, which I agree with. No job is dead end unless you make it that way, and let's face it, for some people that is all they want. Don't be in a hurry to climb the ladder at work as you may miss a lot of valuable experience which can serve you well in later years. Specializing, for some, is what they want to do, but for me, a well rounded resume in various fields tells me that someone is willing to learn (by trying, not through formal education) and I think that learning by doing, is a lot more effective than book learning since you will tend to remember it better. It took me years to get my book learning embedded in my memory, why???,, because I actually used it regularly. As I clearly recall from my early years in university, my tutorial prof(s) said, it's not that you have to remember everything, but you should know where to look it up.

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08/08/2014 11:20 PM

Work hard, I started my work experience on the end of a wildcat grinder in 1977. Fresh out of high school I followed some welders around the world learned a craft, self taught myself metallurgy , ability to draft, read drawings and be a perfectionist. During those 37 years I set manufactured sub sea pipeline water depth and pressure system records, owned a premier ASME code shop with approximately 200 employees and subs while grossing over a 100 million in sales. All with a high school education and determination.

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08/09/2014 12:19 AM

OK. Now you have earned your learners licence, time to get your hands dirty and learn all the nitty gritty that goes to make a competent engineer. Engineering or any profession relies on getting the basics but the real learning comes from mentoring from the wise and usually much older mentors in the field.

Be aware some older mentors sometimes jealously keep their knowledge and you will need to ask the questions and never say "I want to ask a Dumb question" as there is NO DUMB Questions. Sometimes it is necessary to ask the mentor to demonstrate how or why a particular thing is done in a certain manner and this can lead to the mentor showing off their prowess in being in charge.

This is just my manner of saying 'Good on You' but now your learning has just begun.

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08/09/2014 5:28 AM

Piping is an important engineering service applicable to vast areas of fluid transportation.

Engineers are expected to venture into diversified fields to cope up with the social needs.

No job is a mean job and experience always counts in any field of service.

The person who have suggested you seems to be living with complex that, if he would have opted for other services, perhaps he could have been in a better environment.

Risk & toughness of job always pays well.

More over, specialization is not a crime & if one aspires to become knowledgeable, nothing prevents his / her learning till life time.

Today is reality. Contentment & commitment to your job makes you feel confident & comfortable.

As a beginner, sail on the ship what you got now & shape your destiny on lessons learned.

After all, it is man made world.

There are plenty of challenges in the piping engineering like renewable materials, corrosion prevention, light weight & strength, life, valves systems & functions, leakage prevention, weather proof, pumps, energy, remote control, Intelligent flow monitoring, instrumentation, safety devices etc. So better don't under estimate any engineering profession.

Success lies in how & what you contribute to your profession.

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08/09/2014 6:35 AM

Engineer's job is hard taskmaster. Have seen engineers working in steel plant near the furnaces, power transmission line installations, foundries, chemical plants etc.So it is challenging job. You have to be adventurous, brave and well built to work on any on site job.

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08/09/2014 1:45 PM

thank you all for your valuable answers

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08/09/2014 8:30 PM

Hi WC!

In the years I have spent (still spending) on installation of heavy equipment, I have crossed paths with many young engineers, finding themselves in a work environment that it is often a very difficult one, when not openly hostile (specially in the beginning, with some "hard dudes").

I have seen some of them fail to recognise the chances to learn, neither from the personnel around them and they deep knowledge of the details that only hands-on experience can provide, nor from the psycologic and emotional challenges they faced.

The latter ones are the harder ones.

Fortunately, I have seen most of them succeed in those tasks and others, with the help of the people around them, mostly less qualified, like myself.

As first steps, my recommendations would be a delicate balance of humility to recognaisse what you do not know, and selfassurance when you are certain on some matter (avoiding the close cliff of arrogance) and again humility to accept your own errors with grace, and the sure dosage of humour (sometimes corrosive) about it that will follow.

I am lucky enough to see some of them progress in the hierachy of this or that companies, often out of the field they choose initially, and can tell you that, ten years later, they carry the nicknames we gave them as a very honorable title that no university can grant.

After two years in the field, you wil not be the same, and probably your interview will go differently as well. You will laugh at the statement of your interviewer about closing doors, as I think most of engineers in the forum will agree.

Do not count me among them, since I am not an engineer but only a "garage mechanic wanabee", so my opinion may not qualify.

You are an engineer now, even if not experienced, and you must be able to discriminate.

Best of lucks, whatever your choice is.

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08/10/2014 3:10 PM

very insightful ...thanks for your time

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08/10/2014 3:29 AM

Crisis for engineers in shop floor or in the field is that they are surrounded by tough hard skinned labourers who enjoy making fun of new chubby college boy. They will laugh at you and gang up against you. But if you are diplomatic with them and can laugh at your self, then you can manage them. You have to be thick skinned to take all this. If you have lived in boys hostel then you can manage them because you have been already ragged and have become thick skinned.

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