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Rodeo Running Funny

08/20/2014 6:09 PM

I have a 1/99 Isuzu rodeo 3.2 V6 5 Speed trans. List of changed components are as follows : O2 sensors ( all 4 ) catalytic converters (2) ECU, EGR, Mass air sensor, map sensor. probably others I can't think of right now. All 6 injectors replaced also.

The story goes, The truck runs fine with pre O2 sensor on drivers side disconnected, but when it gets connected the motor will surge around 40 mph. Under a different situation : throttle to the floor the truck will increase speed but when you put the throttle at a cruse comparable to the speed you are now traveling the truck will slowly lose speed till you get to 40 mph then randomly start the surging again. when the O2 sensor is hooked up that bank runs rich according to the analyzer. I have tried to explain the symptoms as best as I can. Hope someone can help. Having issues passing the emissions test with O2 disconnected, but it's the only way I can drive the truck to work.

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Re: Rodeo Running Funny

08/20/2014 6:39 PM

The marvellous thing about internet auction sites is that, having listed the vehicle, a few days later someone shows up with some money and takes the problem away.

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08/20/2014 7:11 PM

It seems to me you have a bad connection.....use an ohmmeter and wiggle the wires around to see if you can find the problem....otherwise, or in addition to, clean all connections, use a small amount of conductive grease on the connections....remember the wire itself could be bad....

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08/21/2014 8:32 AM

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I took readings under the vehicle at the O2 sensor and found them to be in line with the factory spec's... However I forgot the simple things and will be under the vehicle again this week end. The intermittent wire break may have bit me. seeing only 1 bank of cylinders is affected your statement of a broken wire comes to light. I may have seen good numbers being in one position however when installed up in the vehicle that may change. I will get some more readings and report back Monday.

Thank you very much for your positive input. I plan on seeing this problem through to the end to learn from it !

3 other mechanics have toyed with the truck in the time they could and 2 corporate type shops, and the dealer who told me the truck checks out fine. But the surging says differently. Again thanks.

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08/21/2014 10:54 AM

These type of problems can be time consuming and tricky to find....that's why the "all of the above" position is usually taken, and all wiring is replaced... I would go through and clean all the connections and use a little conductive grease on each connection, and if that didn't get it then one wire at a time...Living on the beach here with high humidity conditions, the conductive grease has become my 'go to' solution for everything electrical....add to that the electrical components nowadays are just as likely to be bad out of the box, and the whole situation is very frustrating.....hang in there, it's a marathon....lol

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Re: Rodeo Running Funny

08/20/2014 7:30 PM

Drive it to emissions test station with sensor unplugged. Stop just out of sight. Plug sensor in. Get test. You know the rest.

Or, get it fixed by a person who knows how to trouble shoot and repair it.

Trouble codes?

Isuzu forums?

Car forums?

Why did you come here?

I'm a flaming know it all genius but I'd never ask these guys how to fix my car if I didn't have a clue myself and could only tell a story about symptoms.

OK, genius may be a little strong. Know it all is really closer.

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08/22/2014 11:39 AM

I strongly suspect that you have a vacuum leak.This will cause the mixture to become rich when the O2 sensor is connected,due to the excessive air getting into the system,and when the O2 sensor sends this lean message to the ECM, it responds by enriching the fuel/air mixture.

The older vehicles,before O2 sensors, would run lean,having no way to adjust fuel mixture.

To find the leak, do a very diligent inspection of all the vacuum lines, and connections.

Sometimes the hoses become hard and lose the grip to the male connector to which they are connected.

Check for weathered hoses,with cracks.

Bend the hose sharply,and then look for hidden cracks,that will become more evident under stress.

If the visual inspection does not reveal the problem:

Get a small squirt can and apply a few drops of oil at all vacuum connections, wait a few seconds, after each application, and listen for a change in motor's reaction.

When it smooths out, you have found your culprit.You could have more than one leak,so I would simply replace all vacuum hoses as a good preventative from future problems.

(Bye the way,you know when you are riding in a rodeo, bucking is to be expected?)

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08/22/2014 2:58 PM

Got a great laugh at the end of the comment. I will check vacuum hoses also but did a clean up of them about 4 months ago. along with bandaging some of the wire runs.

thank you for the great insight. Glad to see some honest voices in this forum. Huge help ! Have done the Isuzu forums and recall site but no one had this particular symptom. I found all kinds of information on the oil burning and the noisy tapetts however.

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08/22/2014 3:23 PM

The reason for the slow down after a while in cruise control may be because the right bank cylinder spark plugs are fouling out due to flooding because of the over-rich mixture.

A cold engine will run better with a rich mixture and the Engine Control Computer is programmed to do this based on engine temperature,so the problem is magnified when the engine is hot and running at a steady speed.

So the Engine Temperature Sensor could also cause this problem by sending a "Cold

Engine" signal all of the time.

I don't know what you mean by "cleaned up" the vacuum lines.

Replacing them is cheap,then you can put that issue to rest.

As for checking the Temperature Sensor,check the resistance with the wires disconnected from the sensor when engine is cold,then again when it is hot.

I don't know the exact resistance but it should increase when engine is hot.

The manufacturer does not like to release this info for some reason.

I tested one from my Honda by removing it and immersing it in an ice bath first,then boiling water and checking resistance at both temperatures.

The important thing is that it does change.

If you replace it,do the ice bath boiling water test on the replacement and post results here,so someone else can have access to this info.

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You may have to use the "Diode Test" of the meter to check it if it has a soilid state sensor ,instead of a resistive type element.

It requires al least .7 volts to overcome the diode internal resistance, and most digital meters do not use that much voltage on the resistance rang setting.

Some sensors may have 2 wires,which usually means they send a voltage to the internal element and measure the result at the ECM(computer).

Good luck!

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Re: Rodeo Running Funny

08/25/2014 1:31 PM

Maybe you got the Lyndoor Industries RODEO Clown!

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Re: Rodeo Running Funny

08/26/2014 12:13 AM

To add to the good answers from HTRN, there are some vacuum components that are activated only off of idle speed. These components, if bad, will not show up while checking for vacuum leaks at an idle. If you do not find anything after the temp sensor and vacuum leak tests, try this. Warm up the Rodeo till the problem is present. Stop the truck, and disconnect the EGR vacuum hose, and retest. An over acting EGR can dump too much exhaust into the intake. If no change, reattach the EGR, and Check the canister purge valve the same way. There may be other off idle functions, but they should all be connected to the "off idle" port on the throttle body. Good luck.

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