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Identifying Probable Compound Using its Color & Reactants

09/01/2014 5:59 AM

This is quote from OxyChem document on Hypochlorites:

Steel tanks in caustic soda service become passivated with a gray-black film forming on the metal. Thereafter, caustic soda at less than 130° F will dissolve very little iron from the tank. The protective film should be preserved whenever practical. Therefore, when sediment is rinsed from a tank, only the bottom should be washed. Caustic Soda solution should then be put into the tank as soon as the washing is finished. Otherwise a soft rust will form and contaminate any future storage.

I cannot understand what can be this gray-black film chemical formula. Plus is he referring soft rust to common Iron (II) Oxide when it comes to O2 rich atmosphere. May be thats why he instructs to refill cleansed container as soon as possible?

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Re: Identifying probable compound using its colour & reactants

09/01/2014 7:28 AM

What has this to do with hypochloritess, Boss?

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09/01/2014 4:12 PM

Following is the source document. Basically the Caustic (besides Cl2) is the main raw material in industrial NaOCl manufacture

http://www.forceflow.com/hypochlorite/Hypo_Handbook_Oxy_Chem.pdf

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Re: Identifying probable compound using its colour & reactants

09/01/2014 8:34 AM

Is it Zinc?

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09/01/2014 9:02 AM

I think it is magnetite (black oxide) which is stable and won't let the steel surface react or rust; if you rinse the bottom of your tank and let it dry, you'll see it rust before your eyes in a "normal" breathable athmosphere, no need for extra O2.

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09/01/2014 4:18 PM

@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_oxide

According to WIKI my 'probable compound' rather is a mixture!

Hot Black Oxide for Stainless Steel is a mixture of caustic, oxidizing, and sulfur salts. It blackens 300 and 400 series, and the precipitation hardened 17-4 PH stainless steel alloys. The versatile solution can be used on cast iron and mild low carbon steel. The resulting finish complies with military specification MIL-DTL-13924D Class 4 and offers abrasion resistance.

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09/01/2014 11:41 AM

Patina on copper does the same for the Statue of Liberty

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09/01/2014 10:27 PM

The black film is Fe(II). If it is allowed to dry and then exposed to water below 1% NaOH concentration (I believe this is the magic number but open to correction- pH of 12.5-13.0 or above), especially if not actually submerged, it is liable to form a hydrated Fe (III) complex- rust. It may be more of a burnt brown than the typical red due to partial oxidation to Fe (III) throughout the film.

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09/27/2014 11:34 AM

firstly: poor transfer of information about the precise metallurgy will result in GIGO response (verbal upchuck related to conjecture). If on a carbon steel we are talking magnetite, but on stainless steels, the oxide on the surface will be complicated by the presence of chromium, and possibly molybdenum. Be careful what you ask for. Why are you not using a plastic vessel?

One issue in caustic soda storage in carbon steel vessels is the stripping of oxides from the surface when ferrite ions are formed (FeO2-), which hydrate well and are quite stable in solution. Perhaps you are only referring to passivation of vessels to be utilized in transport of caustic soda, and perhaps an oxidizer would be useful in such a case.

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