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Stop Worrying About the Future? Scientists Claims We Can See It

09/08/2014 11:10 AM

Is the flow of time constant, or can events that haven't occurred yet influence our behavior? A new paper provides scientific proof that humans can see into the future. You probably saw this coming. Can we see into the future? It's a power claimed by soothsayers, oracles, witches, astrologists, and prophets since time began flowing in the direction science generally accepts it flowing in: Forward.
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09/08/2014 11:12 AM

Events that haven't ocurred yet do indeed influence behaviour. That is what Engineering is all about.

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09/08/2014 11:26 AM

Does this use Thiotimoline?

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09/08/2014 1:13 PM

When I was very young and somewhat less critical, I read the books of J B Rhine on ESP. I got a deck of cards and tried to guess the suit of the next card. Most of the time it was about 1 out of 4 guessed right, but occasionally there were runs where I got a number right in a row. Apparently, there was something to this and it only worked at times when the mind was receptive. It was hard to shake the feeling that something very "spooky" was happening.

Only later in life when I learned a little more about statistics did I realize that runs occur in random data and you can't throw away "bad" data. I don't know what is happening here, but it is very easy to fool oneself by looking at "good" data.

It happens all the time in scientific investigations, the so called "publication bias". If ten people run a test and nine don't show anything, only the results of the tenth investigator gets published. If it's not reliably repeatable, it's just coincidence.

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09/08/2014 6:24 PM

1 out of 4 people suffer from mental problems. Check 3 of your friends. If they're OK, you're it.

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09/08/2014 2:55 PM

Now if they could tell me (and only me) what next week's Power Ball winning numbers will be.........

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09/09/2014 12:51 AM

know a husband and wife that win all the time at be it the lottery or bingo. This went on for years nothing big a thousand a hundred but all the time. To the point they expected to win and they did. Now it has been some time and they win nothing. At times I have seen this happen to other people months maybe a year and they keep winning. Then it stops. Something must be going on that I would and I think we would all like to know how it works. Luck what is it what turns it on and then off. I know it is real because over the years I have seen it at work and it does have a on and off.

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09/09/2014 10:41 AM

What is a two letter acronym for Bull****?

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09/08/2014 3:42 PM

I can see your future.....your money is cursed, send it to me and I will dispose of it properly......tell no one, or the spell will be broken....

You will meet a dark sexy woman, she will take all your money....send it to me so it will be safe.....

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09/08/2014 5:06 PM

If you don't store your nuts now, you won't have any come winter.

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09/08/2014 5:50 PM

From the article:

"For instance, Bem took an experiment on priming, which studies the effect of a subliminally flashed word on a person's response to a picture, and reversed it. In a traditional priming experiment, subjects would have a word like 'Ugly' flashed, and then be shown a picture of a kitten. The result would generally be the subjects taking longer to determine whether or not the photo was pleasant.

Bem reversed the experiment. He showed the picture,

asked if the subjects found the image pleasant or not, and flashed the subliminal word after they answered. The results indicated that priming worked both backwards and forwards in time."

Sure it did.

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09/08/2014 8:26 PM

Hey Baby,,,,whaaaaatss up...

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09/09/2014 3:01 PM

Sorry, love, but I've already got a gargoyle.

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09/09/2014 2:37 PM

Or, perhaps, subliminal cues don't work at all in either time direction and experimental noise is just experimental noise.

Run the test again but include a control without any cues whatsoever and see if there is any difference among the groups.

Make sure all tests are double-blind so that know one, not even the analysts, know which group is which and which data belong to which group.

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09/08/2014 10:49 PM

This is absolutely true. How many of us remember walking into high school moaning " I know I'm gonna bomb that (insert suitable subject) test" after a sleepless night worrying about it- and being right!!!

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09/09/2014 9:22 AM

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfFulfillingProphecy

'nuf said.

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09/09/2014 12:26 AM

It's really just a matter of tuning in to the way we were created less all the bs we have learned since our life began. It's natural for a dog to sense fear or friendliness, just as a small child does. It's learning what we supposedly can't do that cripples. Let go of all the garbage in your mind and tune into your spirit and sense what is there.

A friend tells it like this. He went to the grocery to get some onions and hamburger because his wife wanted to make tacos. As he came down the produce section he was passing the lettuce. Knowing that lettuce wasn't on his list he almost walked on past, especially knowing there was lettuce at home. He picked up a head anyway, and when he got home his wife told him the lettuce she had was bad and asked how did you know to get the lettuce. He said I don't know, the lettuce told me.

He was in tune to his universe and listened. If we can tune out all the bs and reasons why not, then we only hear what our spirit says. And it is rarely wrong. Or I should say it is never wrong, only the garbage in our heads foul it.

Now when events occur that seem to be without foundation in reasoning, he and I say I don't know, the lettuce told me.

Some call it the voice within. Just don't get mad at me because I'm the only one who can hears the voices!

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09/09/2014 7:16 AM

There is one thing in the future that is certain...we all will die!

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09/10/2014 10:10 AM

The other certainty is taxation before arriving there.

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09/09/2014 9:43 AM

This article didn't convince me at all. E.g. it tells nothing about the results of the "experiment on priming" or the exact way it was implemented.

Also the article says:

Other experiments produced small results, but statistically significant ones. Test subjects were told an erotic image was going to flash on the screen, and asked to guess which of two positions it would depict. They guessed correctly 53.1 percent of the time.

53,1% is close to 50%, which is statistically expected when a lot of people are questioned. So, there is nothing important here.

I think that -sometimes- some people can "predict" the nearby future -e.g. what is going to happen in the next few seconds- due to some sorrounding "hidden" info which is perceived unconsciously by them. (This is something that it is considered as a "feeling".) But -beside this- I don't think that people can actually predict the future. The "thermodynamic arrow" of time (which leads to the "psychological arrow" of time) doesn't give any chance to see the future. Considering the time as a "4th dimension" we are "doomed" to see only the one direction (past) while the other direction (future) is invisible. Considering the future as the "events that are going to happen due to present causes" is nearly impossible to predict the future state of a large macroscopic system (like our world), especially the "far away" future, due to the vast complexity of all present causes (chaos, over-complex systems, quantum uncertainty).

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09/09/2014 10:18 AM

The only way to "see" the future is to get some info from the future. Scientists have suggested that, maybe, there are particles called "Tachyons". These hypothetical particles are supposed to have speed greater than the speed of light, hence they actually travel "backwards" in time (from the future to the past). So, let's suppose that Tachyons exist (which I doubt) and that our brains are able to receive them and get the info (from the future) carried by them. Even in this case, we are able to change our actions in such a way that we can change the specific future event. (E.g. someone "sees" that tomorrow will have a car accident. So -the next day- he decides to stay at home, so no accident happens to him.) So, if we change the future event where this "future info" came from in the first place? (Where the Tachyons were tranmitted from?) From a future event that never happened?

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09/09/2014 11:09 PM

"Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence."

The claim is extraordinary. The evidence is not.

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09/09/2014 10:58 AM

A program on how the mind works, mentioned Deja Vu as being caused by a mild form of epilepsy. It has been established that certain Ideas or Inventions were developed simultaneously in different locations. I personally, had an experience in which we were about to jump into a grain storage bin supposedly filled with soybeans. It was dark below the hatch. Something about the whole idea and sound of our voices did not seem right to me. I told everyone, including one kid about to jump, to stop. I took an old dry ear of corn and dropped it into the hole. We heard it thump against the floor 20 ft. below. The farmer had emptied the bin the day before.

Is this all related?

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09/09/2014 3:25 PM

One afternoon when I was 14 I was leaving the house to walk over to a friend's where I'd be spending the night. Even before I left the yard this ominous feeling started coming over me that I should not stay the night at his house. I'd spent nights there before so why not that night? It was so weird. I tried to brush off the feeling but it grew stronger with every step. Eventually I got so uncomfortable with the idea of going over there that I turned around, walked back home and called him, saying that something had come up and that I could not spend the night. I said nothing about the feeling as there was no way to explain it, not even to myself. There still isn't.

Next day he called and said it was a damn good thing I didn't come over, as the bed I would have been sleeping in caught fire. Evidently there was an electrical short in the wiring in the floor beneath the bed. A mouse had chewed through the insulation and shorted out the wires without blowing a fuse.

None of us would have known any of this in advance and so why did I feel so strongly that I should not spend the night, well before the event even happened? I've no idea.

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09/09/2014 3:41 PM

In that case, you sensed the future. There must be some connection.....

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09/09/2014 5:22 PM

Most times when I read about a person that missed a flight that crashed they say it was God that caused them to miss the flight and they wonder if it is because they have something important to do and they wonder what it may be. I have had times in my life that it was like I just had to do something almost a force pushing me that I had no control over. Those things only twice in hind sight were great for me.

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09/10/2014 3:35 AM

In your example, did the person that missed the flight do something really important later in his life? Probably he didn't. (Or, in the case that he did sth important, maybe he did it because he was convinced that he was saved by God in order to do so. If nothing had happened, probably he would do nothing important.) And what about all the other unfortunate passengers who missed their lives? Were they insignificant and their life meaningless? Maybe some of them would have done great things if they were still alive.

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09/10/2014 4:40 AM

"Maybe .... probably .... maybe .... maybe ...."

When I read of couple of articles and say which, does not make me accountable for those authors' words any more than he is accountable for theirs, so why are grilling him about it? Sounds to me like you've an axe to grind and nowhere to grind it, and this just happened to present a handy opportunity. Lucky you, ay?

Go grind your axe in the Break Room, thank you very much.

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09/10/2014 5:37 AM

Dear Anonymous Poster,

I'm just sharing some of my thoughts. This is a scientific/engineering forum where everyone is free to present his thoughts in a polite way. If you don't like it then I think that this is not the right place for you. (I think that you are the one with the axe... not me...)

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09/10/2014 9:56 AM

im pleased many members here have the good common sense to understand that our ability to prove everything "scientifically" is limited, that life is not loved in a lab. Science has its limits, we do not underastand, for ex., dark matter or dark energy, either of which maybe involved in those things todays science cant understand yet. Perhaps science of the future may understand some things better.

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09/13/2014 3:24 PM

I have my seer's hat on.

kramarat is going to say something nasty about an African American politician and then challenge us to call him racist.

Europa will insult some foreign country.

An Anon. Poster will say something insulting, another will say something stupid.

I'll stop here, got to check my stocks while the force is with me.

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