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Van Gogh, starry night astronomer

07/03/2007 6:18 PM

Vincent Van Gogh (1853-90) was an artist and accidental astronomer. He painted flowers, landscapes, people, and occasionally the night sky. He apparently had an illness that affected his hearing and his eyesight. Weak sounds were loud to him. He could see dim lights that were invisible to others. Bright lights seemed to have halos around them. He painted whatever he looked at in the way that it appeared to him. One of his works, "The Starry Night", was painted in 1889. It depicts the night sky over Arles, France. Since Van Gogh painted everything accurately, anyone with a computer astronomy program can duplicate the exact summer night and hour when Venus and the crescent moon were in the places where Van Gogh saw them. It was early in the morning just before sunrise, further evidenced by the horizon sunrise glow beyond the hills to the east. Over the years, many people have wondered about the swirling lights in the sky. I puzzled about that also, until I saw an electromagnetic radiation map of our milky way galaxy compiled by Australian astronomers around the middle of the past century. It was an exact overlay of Van Gogh's swirling night sky with the double helix structure. The problem I had at first was that the time of that conjunction between Venus and the crescent moon was not in the direction of our galaxy center. After some time and thought, I realized that Van Gogh began his painting earlier in the evening shortly after sunset when the center of our galaxy was directly above the town of Arles. He added the moon and Venus shortly after they rose above the eastern horizon early in the morning. There are probably many people in this world who have seen Van Gogh's swirling milky way in the summer skies they have known all their life. They assume everyone else can see the same thing. I would like to know how many people have witnessed this wonder.

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07/03/2007 10:22 PM

None dont know his sunflower as you metioned this great impression painter!

His "The starry night" is also famous painting collected in his painting books. I saw this picture. its too abstract expressionism to understand by me.

When Im a very younger, we were reeducate in the country (haha, none from western will know what it is). At the time I worked almost all the night, from moning to deep night. to took this advantage, I watched shy, very beautiful, especially in summer, which cannt saw in the city! I studyed some astronomic knowldge. I know many constellations ocurred from spring to winter. Remain in my mind memories, I dont thnk I could get such impression painted by V.gogh.

its too abstract. I can only think its beautiful. and creationary.

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07/04/2007 1:01 AM

The Starry Night painting is a like a photograph. The camera is the eyes of Vincent Van Gogh. It would be good if everyone could see this beautiful world with our own eyes and paint it on canvas as Vincent Van Gogh painted it.

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07/04/2007 1:36 AM

Is this pic?

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07/04/2007 3:38 AM

He had long distance tunnel vision.

He saw the church clearly because it was close but did not want to hear it (thats why he removed an ear).

He heard the heavens but he did not want to see it - He tried to wipe it. and when he saw that it did not helped he blurred the rest.

He was not making a living out of art, or was he?

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07/04/2007 1:45 AM

V.Gogh's sky

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07/05/2007 1:44 AM

Hi wlhaynes, very interesting, but just a small correction:

The famous The Starry Night was completed near the mental asylum of Saint-Rémy, not too far from Arles. I do not think it makes any difference to the astronomical data anyway.

The one he painted in Arles prior to that was called "Starry Night over the Rhone". My wife and I walked all the 'Van Gogh stations' in 2005. Quite a walk!

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07/05/2007 2:45 PM

Thank you for your comments, Jorrie. I would be thrilled to walk the same paths you and your wife followed. The Starry Night painting was actually done from the second floor window of the asylum, two or three windows from the north side of the building. It was the only window with a cypress tree in front. The tree was still there in a 1920's photgraph. The astronomical data is important to art lovers who are also scientifically inclined. That conjunction of Venus and the moon over the town of Arles was visible to Van Gogh only in the room where he was on the day, night, and hour that it occurred. It is so accurate that it is unlikely to have been painted at any other time from memory. Van Gogh's portrayal of our galaxy center is unique because no one else has ever photographed, painted, drawn, or sketched the same scene. I believe that astronomers could nearly duplicate Van Gogh's vision if they adjusted their electronic imaging systems to match the human eye response to dim starlight. They would also need to adjust for Van Gogh's vision problem that caused him to see halos around bright lights. Photographs of our milky way galaxy don't show the swirls that Van Gogh portrayed. We know only that ours is a spiral galaxy like most of the others we see in the universe. Van Gogh was probably the first one to recognize how the double helix structure appears to viewers on Earth. The Australian astronomers were the first ones I know about who actually did a scientific analysis of the electromagneic structure that matches Van Gogh's visible light structure.

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07/05/2007 2:57 PM

Thanks, Jorrie, for the geography correction. I'll try to remember to say Saint-Remy in the future. My young granddaughter who has keen eyesight, once said she could see the swirls, but I neglected to have her sketch what she saw. Wally Haynes

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07/05/2007 11:54 PM

I seem I havnt post a right pic.

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07/06/2007 12:29 AM

Hi cnpower.

The picture you originally posted was the right one. It's just that it was not painted in Arles.

The one painted in Arles (Starry night over the Rhone) does not give the same star formations.

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07/06/2007 4:43 AM

Hi, Jorrie,

you are familiar v.gogh. you know where he painted but I dont.

I visited these great artists works exhibited in Bejing. but I really dont understand them. although I know they try to behave light and shade.

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07/07/2007 7:13 AM

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You may not need to understand their meaning, only enjoy the beauty and expression he was able to create for those of us in the future. Sometimes art is not meant for the masses, but for those of an inside circle. But we can still appreciate their splendor.

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07/12/2007 10:17 AM

I heard the song Starry Starry Night by Don Mclean, now I know what he was referring to, thanks for sharing this information I wonder how many critics have read meanings into this painting and thus imposed their world view on his.

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