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Retrofitting Liquid Resistance Slip Ring

09/22/2014 5:12 AM

How do I quantify energy savings from retrofitting liquid resistance slip ring motor with VFD. This is for a pump application. Slip ring motor speed controlled to about 90% by resistanace.

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09/22/2014 7:05 AM

From the information you've given, you'd only save at most 10%.

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Re: Retrofitting Liquid Resistance Slip Ring

09/22/2014 11:00 AM

Start by stating what the electrical tariff comprises. There is no point in proceeding without that detail and it has been withheld from the forum.

Continue by stating the size of the motor, a detail that has been withheld from the forum.

Next, use these data to open discussions with VFD suppliers that are on the organisation's preferred suppliers list. This is best done by telephone.

Over time, the savings to be pursued will drop out of those activities.

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Re: Retrofitting Liquid Resistance Slip Ring

09/22/2014 1:33 PM

You do not automatically attain savings just by using a VFD. The savings that can be realized using a VFD in a centrifugal pump application are due for the most part in comparing it to OTHER means of flow or pressure control, typically mechanical systems that perform this function. The savings come from the fact that using speed reduction of the motor will take advantage of the Affinity Laws to waste LESS energy in accomplishing the variable conditions desired than these mechanical means.

But in comparing it against a slip ring motor using a liquid rheostat, you must understand that you are ALREADY getting most of those benefits with your existing control system. Swapping it out for a VFD is not going to attain any appreciable gains in efficiency. Maintenance reduction, yes. Simplicity (by comparison) for younger people who are used to VFDs but may have no previous experience with slip ring motors, let alone liquid rheostat speed control, yes. But energy, not much if any. VFD salespeople may tell you otherwise, but remember, they have an agenda.

If your only goal however is to reduce losses in the system to improve energy efficiency, look into a rotor slip energy recovery system for your existing motor, they can be retrofitted to existing liquid rheostat controllers. There is a company called Flomatcher that makes LR controls, who also bought another company called Marathon that made rotor energy recovery systems. They only list it now as a built-in component of their LR controller, but if you ask them nicely, they will probably discuss a rotor slip recovery system for your existing LR controller.

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Re: Retrofitting Liquid Resistance Slip Ring

09/22/2014 2:57 PM

I agree with JRaef in that you may not realize any economic gain by installing a VFD other than some degree of less maintanance.

Also; Be careful, the (your) slip ring motor will not be compatible with just any VFD.

The VFD must be designed specifically to operate and control the (your) slip ring motor.

I would contact the slip ring motor original equipment manufacturer (OEM) and seek their input as to if a VFD can be used in your application, and if so which VFD is required.

Some of the questions the OEM will ask:

Is the motor starting and stopping often?

Does the pump have high head pressure requirements?

Type of pump? Turbine? Centrifugal?

At a minimum these dynamics must be considered.

I suggest that before you alter the pump motor RPM, it would be a good idea to review the pump curve to determine the affect on system flow for any changes made to motor RPM.

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