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A New Problem About Sluice Shutter

09/30/2014 11:58 AM

A Dam sluice shutter was fallen inside the dam.. The water level of the dam was 106 ft.

the peoples from the place were making problem and asking water for irrigation purposes. the one end of the shutter is fixed in the wall and the other end is hanging.

some cement mortars are filled inside the gap between shutter and basement of dam.

1) How to break the cement mortar which is inside the water?

2) Any other way to take the shutter from the water?

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09/30/2014 12:12 PM

this sound pretty serious to a point that there should be more information.

  • such as what is happening now
  • time contra nits to get it repairs (ASAP has lost its value)

just to name a few.

have no idea what these problem people fit in...

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09/30/2014 12:28 PM

the sluice shutter is inside the water.. we made many decisions to give water for irrigation.. like we used water cutter machine for cutting the shutter with certain sizes to give water but certain amount of water cannot be given to the people.

we made jet motors to exert water from the dam.. The problem is we need to give excess water than we give now. Can you give some ideas ?

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09/30/2014 12:43 PM

I'm sure someone here will mention C4

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09/30/2014 2:26 PM

Now that's a self fulfilling statement.

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10/01/2014 4:39 PM

"It's all about the BANG"

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09/30/2014 12:49 PM

It still sounds serious.

I take it your location is not in The United States, I do not know what your infrastructure is and the only help I can give is how it may be handled here.

First off you to get people like these involved. Lunda.

They have the expertise and support equipment to assess/evaluate your situation and correct it.

Now if you have a tight budget, this will be difficult.

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09/30/2014 2:04 PM

"have no idea what these problem people fit in..."

Part of our OP comment "the peoples from the place were making problem and asking water for irrigation purposes..." makes me think that, perhaps, they believed the water allotment was too small and decided to take increasing the flow into their own hands... thus the problem at hand.

This is of no help to sethupathy, but any information we can get may be useful.

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09/30/2014 2:25 PM

I agree, problem people can come from a number of places, environmental, outrageous, safety.... the list can be long.

All of these are not really problems because there is a base for these that have to be addressed (which can make it difficult for the people that have to address it)

The reason I brought up these problem people is because their needs may have to be incorporated into the fix.

Enough for now, I have my own headaches today, both figuratively and literally.

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09/30/2014 2:08 PM

You need a specialist contractor....if you can't afford for them to do the job maybe you can hire them as consultants....

http://www.underwater-resources.com/diving_services.html

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09/30/2014 2:38 PM

I will disregard the serious politics of a dam and people downstream wanting more water (are they entitled, just greedy, drought conditions, etc.) and just focus on the engineering. Moving water is a relatively simple engineering task. This is a dam so a simple set of siphons could get the water over the dam wall and into the remaining sluices.

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09/30/2014 4:29 PM

Is there enough area to install a temporary shutter to be held in place by water pressure?

Large inflatable air bags are sometimes used for this.

Water wars- the future.....

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09/30/2014 9:34 PM

If only the sluice shutter were cast iron.

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09/30/2014 10:36 PM

A picture of the dam/shutter would be worth many thousands of words.

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10/01/2014 2:56 AM

The most important item to find right now is the construction drawings for the shutter, and guides and other hardware in that portion of the dam and the dam details aorund the hardware.

The construction details will enable some level of planning of what might be feasible and what can be done so that "normal" operations cna be restored after the item is removed.

This is a specialist task with significant safety risks that may take a significant preparation time before actual works commence. Any "brute force" option should be avoided due to potential damage to other non-serviceable sections of the structure. It might be necessary to construct a small coffer dam so that this area can be worked on "dry".

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10/01/2014 5:31 AM

The water level in the dam was 106ft. What is it now?

Is it possible to reduce the level in the dam to below the shutter and complete remedial work from a floating platform. This has the advantage of immediately giving a large quantity of water to farmers downstream, on the condition that later they will have to plan for reduced water flow while the level of the dam is replenished. At least they would have time to plan their crop planting to suit the reduced flow.

The level could be reduced cheaply by installing a syphon

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10/01/2014 6:00 AM

Dynamite will give them lots of water, and you a whole new set of complaints.

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10/01/2014 11:26 AM

Courtesy of Doris Day, High Hopes........."oops there goes another billion kilowatt dam"

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10/01/2014 9:00 AM

Your description of the problem is wanting. If it's just hanging get a crane in there and lift it back up.

Sound like a deal were they built a dam with guaranties of water for the farmers. Most of those are based on annual rain fall. And the farms want more water then their alloted. So they broke the sluice gate to get it.

My question to you is your just dumping water. Is everything that is going thru this sluice gate being utilized for irrigation? How much is being lost in the process of doing it like that? May be better to rethink how your providing the water for irrigation and fill in the sluice gate with concrete to get the water level back up.

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10/01/2014 12:50 PM

"Your description of the problem is wanting."

So are the farmers. Wanting water! ;>)

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10/01/2014 11:33 AM

For the Heck of it, I Google imaged "Irrigation dams" and found a bunch of Indian campaign posters on which the main platform was "Water for everyone".

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10/01/2014 12:17 PM

Water conflicts probably predate recorded history.

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