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How Do I Reverse a Repulsion Inductance Motor?

10/09/2014 9:37 PM

I acquired my very first repulsion inductance motor today - a 110 V, 1/2 hp, 45 pound behemoth. It's old - probably 70 years or so, and covered with grease and dirt, but it runs like a champ. My problem is that it runs in the wrong direction, and I'm puzzled how to reverse it. I know that it's a matter of brush location, and the good folks at Delco Remy were nice enough to put a little pointer on the brush assembly and an indent on the end bell so that I can get the setting exactly right . . . for CW rotation.

I understand the theory that I could loosen the clamping bolt on the brush assembly and rotate it until the motor runs CCW like I want, but I am stuck between the horns of a dilemma: (1) There is no other mark on the end bell, so I could only wildly guess where to move the brushes; (2) figuring it out "by the seat of my pants" means reaching in there and grabbing hold on the assembly and turning it slowly whilst I listen to the sound.

If I just start a hit-and-miss effort, moving the brushes, then clamping them, I have to remember that I am an old fellow now (the guy who sold me the motor referred to me as "elderly" - bah!) without months and months of life to waste on this.

If I grab the assembly with my hand, I have this unnatural fear of getting zapped by 50 or 60 volts, and jerking my hand back, impaling my palm on a sharp piece of the mount that has 70 years of tetanus and other toxins built up on it. I understand that an induced voltage in the armature is theoretically harmless, but I worry this thing is old and dirty enough to have enough leakage to get a nice ground reference.

What am I missing (other than the $125 to buy a new induction motor down at the Harbor Freight store)?

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Re: How do I reverse a Repulsion Inductance motor?

10/10/2014 12:23 AM

"The direction of rotation is determined by the position of the brushes with respect to the magnetic field of the stator. If the brushes are shifted clockwise from the main magnetic axis, the motor will rotate in a clockwise direction. If the brushes are shifted counter-clockwise from the main magnetic axis, the motor will rotate in a counter-clockwise direction.The starting torque of a repulsion motor is determined by the angle of brush shift from the main magnetic axis. The maximum torque is obtained from a brush shift of 45 degrees. Brush shift can also be used to control the speed of a repulsion motor."

Position for clockwise operation↑

Position for counter-clockwise operation↓

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repulsion_motor

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10/10/2014 6:32 AM

Cool beans!

That's the info I needed. Great diagrams. Thanks a million.

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Re: How do I reverse a Repulsion Inductance motor?

10/10/2014 1:17 AM

If what is bothering you is the chance you might be cut by a sharp piece of metal dirty with contaminants, it would make sense to disinfect the sharp parts and attempt to attach a temporary barrier to those edges.

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Washing the areas of concern with a volatile disinfectant like any of several types of alcohol... the higher the purity the better, would probably help a lot. Covering any sharp edges with tape of some sort could also make it a little safer.

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The idea of wearing some thin gloves, like surgical latex, comes to mind, but gloves and rotating machinery are generally ill-advised.

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10/10/2014 10:46 AM

What with that nice clear diagram and explanation that Solar Eagle provided, I'm pretty sure he's not at risk of getting even a minor paper cut, but probably best not take any chances.

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10/10/2014 7:59 AM

According to wikipedia, maximum torque is achieved when the brushes are oriented at 45 degrees to the magnetic neutral axis. If that is how it's marked, shifting 90 degrees should give you maximum torque in the opposite direction.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repulsion_motor

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10/10/2014 8:13 AM

Yep, I just tried it, and realized I hadn't given enough information. I spun the brushes around 90° CCW, fired it up, and it ran great . . . CW! Then, in good hillbilly style, I took off my shoes so I could count the brushes . 1 . . 2 . .3 . .4. Yep, that was it, so I backed up to 45° and that baby ran like a top in CCW. Of course, running the brushes backwards after lo, these many years replenished the ozone layer in about two minutes, but it looks like it's running in now.

Thanks a lot.

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10/10/2014 8:53 AM

And once again CR4 saves an "elderly gent", months and months of his life! Onward my friend...enjoy it all while you can!

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10/10/2014 5:22 PM

That's great. Motors are fun to play with. I recall as a child talking my father into helping me build a little universal motor (actually, he did most of the work). It was made out of cut pieces of tin can. It did run, got pretty hot, and, I suspect, helped to rejuvenate the ozone layer.

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10/10/2014 10:53 AM

You can expect tremendous starting torque from this design. Make sure everything is bolted down tightly.

Probably worth a good cleaning and undercut of commutater.

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10/10/2014 5:53 PM

And now the other shoe.

So, a voltage is induced in the armature because it has no connection to the stator. How would I measure that voltage? Or, does that even make sense to ask, since it is (sort of) shorted out by the brushes?

Following the Wiki link given by several posters, I saw that these motors were discontinued in the 50s, maybe 60s. I am impressed at the starting torque of this thing; it far exceeds the starting torque of the 1.5 hp induction motor I have on my table saw. I can see how the weight of these was a problem, but was there another reason to discontinue them?

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10/10/2014 6:28 PM

I would think you could open the circuit at the brushes and put a ac voltmeter there. You might be more interested in putting an ac ammeter in the circuit to measure the current.

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10/10/2014 7:26 PM

Yeah, I guess you're right. The current would be more useful to know. That might even tell me why this beast is so heavy. Thanks.

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10/13/2014 11:56 AM

I suspect that these are not made any more as it cost too much to make them.

Simple induction motors are cheaper to product.

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10/13/2014 12:18 PM

Expensive indeed, once the motor is at about 75% full speed, the brushes must be lifted and the commutator bars shorted as shown:

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