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Garbage Patch - Can We Fix This?

10/25/2014 8:38 AM

Now here is a subject/problem that could use some engineering.

http://www.upworthy.com/i-never-knew-about-this-crazy-thing-in-the-ocean-until-i-happened-upon-her-article?c=ufb1

And here is a young engineer trying to help...but with some of these garbage patches the size of Texas?!?! The idea of arrays is probably a good approach.

http://inhabitat.com/19-year-old-student-develops-ocean-cleanup-array-that-could-remove-7250000-tons-of-plastic-from-the-worlds-oceans/

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Re: Garbage Patch - can we fix this?

10/25/2014 9:37 AM

This problem cannot be fixed any more than a sloppy teenager can fix their bedroom. Just like that teenager, we certainly should periodically clean up these floating garbage piles. What is implied but almost never stated in these floating garbage pile reports is that the root cause of these piles is the slow decay rates of most plastics. Plastics that serve a very useful purpose.

Tracking the nominal location of these gyres could be an interesting bit of oceanography. It maybe that these whirls change their location with either an El NIÑO or La NIÑA cycle.

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10/25/2014 10:10 AM

They will continue to grow until people are taught not to use the ocean as their garbage disposals.

Education and industrialization will help, someday.

Penalties for problem polluters might generate some clean-up revenue, but simply caring about our world would do the most good.

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10/25/2014 10:11 AM

I wish it was as simplistic as that but its not. it would be nice to have an enzyme that lived on the bulk of the garbage....especially if its by-product was water...maybe biotech can design a family of bugs that like eating plastic, but who will pay for the tons and tons of enzymes and ship them to where they're needed? its a big problem without an easy or cheap solution.

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10/25/2014 11:54 AM

There are several organizations working on this problem....From controlling sources of waste to cleaning shorelines and ocean and lake clean-up programs....

"The NOAA Marine Debris Program is authorized by Congress to work on marine debris through the Marine Debris Act, signed into law in 2006 and amended in 2012. The Act requires the program to "identify, determine sources of, assess, prevent, reduce, and remove marine debris and address the adverse impacts of marine debris on the economy of the United States, marine environment, and navigation safety.""

http://marinedebris.noaa.gov/about-our-program/marine-debris-act

http://marinedebris.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/General_MDP.pdf

http://marinedebris.noaa.gov/

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10/25/2014 2:00 PM

The problem is two fold. First is how to clean up the waterways of existing garbage and second, how to prevent future garbage from getting into the waterways. I'm sure garbage dumping is the result of waste disposal practices of large manufacturers and waste disposal companies, not so much the individual litterer. I think we would need to employ a fleet of "garbage collecting" ships, operating 24/7 to comb the waterways. These ships would collect and incinerate collected garbage. Some garbage would be recyclable and could be transferred to shore for processing into new material. Does anyone know if this is already being done?

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10/25/2014 2:48 PM

I think a lot of this is from the tsunami debris and shipping containers lost in rough seas, and the nets from fishing vessels that comb the oceans...I'm sure there is dumping of waste at sea by just about everybody that's out there....but probably the bulk is from illegal dumping of land based waste....There are also natural sources that probably contribute to the problem like oil that seeps from the ocean floor and volcanic activity forming sludge that binds a lot of waste together....I think there needs to be a coalition of nations that form an international effort, without a consensus the cleanup would be perpetual...but like anything else it will probably take a seminal event to really make things happen....a little scary to think what that might be...

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10/25/2014 10:53 PM

Make a "garbage boom" similar to "oil boom" and surround the patch and take it to shore,sort it out into various components.

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10/25/2014 10:54 PM

To collect what is hidden below the surface,use a very strong net & pull it to shore.

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10/26/2014 8:54 AM

It's the size of TEXAS!

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10/26/2014 9:06 AM

So how could you miss it?

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10/27/2014 10:23 AM

Break it up into smaller ones & collect.

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10/27/2014 10:31 AM

An interesting idea fraught with many perils and legal complications. Break Texas into smaller pieces and collect.

[Just kidding folks.]

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10/26/2014 3:19 AM

Reminds me of some remarks made in a film, KON-TIKI 1947, about how they came across all this rubbish in the middle of the ocean?

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10/26/2014 6:11 AM

Why is everything with this site a problem? There are enough ships plying the seas who could simply pick up some of this rubbish and off load it at the next port of call. There any more than enough navy vessels running about coasts who could pick this up and dump it on shore. Get some value out of your tax money and military budgets. Barges, fishing vessels, supertankers, could all pick up some rubbish.

They all use this resource, so why not let them help to look after it at the same time. Do you want to offer them a bespoke service? Sit back, have a cup of coffee, put your feet up and leave it for another to clean up the mess.

Too much talk out of the west and not enough accepting responsibility today. Making wars is profitable, cleaning up the planet for everyone to use? Well another fine talking point. The kids idea is good and a great business venture. He has my support.

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10/27/2014 9:30 AM

All the talk abut the Great garbage Patch seems loaded with 'weasel words,' "The plastic does not decompose" (of course not, only organic matter decomposes, inorganic matter degrades)(1), "areas you could walk on" (if by 'walk' you mean 'stand' and if by 'on' you mean 'you don't sink in more than knee deep.' but by those definitions, almost any fishing net 'lost to the sea' and floating in a tangle is an 'area you could walk on') and of course they being up the 'estrogenic compounds,' which have an effect on living tissues only if you believe in Homeopathy, the effects of these estrogenic compounds (often referred to as estrogen disruptors)(2) are the same as normal male blood estrogen levels diluted to 2-3C in Homeopathy terms (that's 2-3 sequential 1:100 dilutions with 'pure water,' using whichever method the sosiopa- er homeopath uses to define 'pure water').

Is the Great Garbage patch a problem? Yes, is it a bigger problem than Ebola, Global Warming, or the upcoming USA Midterm Elections? Not really, We have groups working on it, and that's more than enough manpower for competing solutions to be devised and tested out against each other, let's focus on the more important, more pressing problems: Kicking the idiots out of the US Government(3).

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1) Most plastics are technically 'organic,' in that they contain Carbon, but I am using the 'layman's terms' here, where organic means 'is or was alive' and inorganic means 'artificial.' It's actually the distinction between Trash ('inorganic') and Garbage ('organic'): Trash can only clutter, Garbage rots.

2) Another 'weasel word,' those compounds are as much an 'estrogen disruptor' as a single male mosquito is a West Nile Pandemic. (Male mosquitoes do not drink blood, they don't bite anyone, so they CANNOT transmit the virus from person to person.)

3) Looks around the Halls of Government, "We're gonna need a bigger boot."

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10/27/2014 10:22 AM

In the municipal waste daily collected organic as well as inorganic items are mixed because people throw everything into garbage bin without sorting.

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10/30/2014 11:06 PM

Whether organic or inorganic bring to the shore(uninhibited island),sort it out and recycle.

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10/31/2014 9:44 AM

That's going to be tricky. It's not great loating garbage bags, round with trash, floating like buoys, almost all of it has broken down to pieces the size of coarse sand or smaller.

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10/30/2014 10:55 PM

A small tactical air burst...fry it

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12/12/2014 12:15 PM

According the released study the situation is not reflecting what computer modeling has predicted and is cause for joy. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/12/141211-ocean-plastics-garbage-patches-5-gyres-pollution-environment/?sf6301603=1

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