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Lightning Arrestor

12/01/2014 2:34 AM

Dear all,

There is 66kV over head line is passing near to my house within 100meters, I hope there wil be lightening arrestor on those towers, The height of the tower and the top of my house are same. My question is do i need to provide lightening arrestor for my house? any one know the range of the lightening arrestor using in 66kv line, people are saying it is not required to provide this if it is near to the HT over head line. any harm if we install one for my house? please share your valuable thoughts.

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Re: LIGHTENING ARRESTOR

12/01/2014 2:40 AM

Lightning arrestor? Do you mean conductor?

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12/01/2014 3:01 AM

Enormous electromagnetic discharge either cloud to ground, cloud to ground or direct heat. if it finds conductor, it will induce surge. Also SPD's protects your quality of supply from TOV and transient voltages.

If you have expensive gadgets or home appliances you might as well invest SPD.

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Re: LIGHTENING ARRESTOR

12/01/2014 3:18 AM

thanks for your reply,

my question is, since there is lightening protector with the 66kv line, do i need to provide the same for the house also? how long it will cover by the 66kv line protector, if it is within the range i hope no need to give seperately. my house is near 100meter to the 66kv line

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12/01/2014 3:37 AM

How long is your line from the distribution transformer to your mains at your house? It is necessary however for assurance and local fire standard(though vary) that mains and devices especially expensive are to be protected.

What happens when you install one SPD good for all? A surge may travel both ends of the wire to any path least resistance.

That is why SPD's are necessary at mains and devices as a form of a redundant protection.

Well, you just spend once, but your equipment is well protected.

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12/01/2014 4:44 AM

It's lightning, not lightening. See #1.

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12/01/2014 5:32 AM

You're repeating yourself instead of answering the questions you've been asked. You've no need to do the former, and every need to do the latter.

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Re: LIGHTENING ARRESTOR

12/01/2014 5:34 AM

Are there any other houses at the same or a closer distance to this line? What arrangements are in place for those? If there is none, why is your house in any way special?

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12/01/2014 7:41 AM

Never had a lighting arrestor before. What's the big concern now? Because the effects of lighting hitting a tree in your yard or between your home and the tower would be about the same as hitting one of these towers.

Within 100 meters could mean less than a meter to 100 meters which is it? A more exact distance would be helpful.

Then again there is no harm to protect your home with a lighting arrestor.

Just wonder how many times your home has been hit by lighting that you think these power line tower would cause it to be hit more.

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12/01/2014 8:24 AM

If they are both the same height they have an equal probability of being struck by lightning unless there is something that's taller nearby. Lightning arresters on a pole line have absolutely nothing to do with you, they're there for the utility's benefit, it just diverts the energy from a bolt that hits the line and mitigates its effects on the circuit.

A properly engineered and installed lightning protection system on your home may provide an alternate path for a direct strike rather than have it go through the house's structure and/or wiring, but it's no guarantee, just an odds enhancer.

Surge arresters on your main panel should be installed to reduce the effect of a nearby strike passing into your house wiring, but very few consumer grade systems will survive a direct strike.

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12/01/2014 9:20 AM

I am not a lightning expert, but long ago I spent several months researching it with someone who was an expert, and working on a lightning detector design. As a result I've had a special interest in the subject and have continued to read papers and whatever came along. From what I know, as the lightning-discharge precursor advances in little jumps, seeking a responding upward leader, and establishes a complete cloud-to-ground path before the big stoke, everything that's happening is relatively short range. Lightning protection 100 meters away is much too far to be of any influence.

I think the distance is more like 20 to 30 meters, max. If you do a Google search on "lightning arrestor spacing", you'll find dozens of .pdf documents, some of which are quite good.

You'll see numbers from 20 to 100 feet. The relative elevations are an issue, but not a very strong one, with a 30° to 45° cone being used for analysis. There is a "rolling sphere" method used for analysis; this is well discussed in the document I linked.

It's a good idea to get a professional involved. Installing a lightning arrestor system with a proper low-inductance path and a proper earthing system is not a trivial matter. Think of the damage that can ensue if your installation fails to protect you, if you are ever unlucky enough to experience an actual lightning strike. BTW, it's a myth to assume that a lightning arrestor will protect you, and never itself receive the lightning strike. So it has to be able to handle the current, typically 30kA or more.

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12/03/2014 9:29 AM

FAA-STD-019E references the "rolling sphere" method but NFPA 780 cites specific details. I have also seen recommendations to put surge arrestors at your facility entrance as well as on paths for critical loads. EATON provides an intersting mpg titled TVSS Video that I would upload or attach but can't seem to find where to do that.

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12/01/2014 8:45 AM

A lightning arrestor is not the same as a lightning rod, which comes to a sharp point at the tip. The electric field created by a properly designed lightning rod, is initially a semi-spherical shape so it looks somewhat like an umbrella. That means that if it is high enough, you may be "under it's umbrella".

Considering the data and the possibility that you intended to describe a "lightning rod", you are not under it's umbrella. If it is a lightning arrestor, it offers no protection either.

Do you have a metal roof? That might make it attractive for a lightning strike.

Lightning rods have large uninsulated cables that run to a ground rod. It does not really "protect" your house from a lightning strike. Instead, it redirects the current flow to ground because it offers a path of least resistance. Your best protection would be to mount it to a flag pole that is at least 20 meters higher than the highest point of your roof.

All that being said, lightning tends to follow the path of ionized air, frequently initiated by cosmic energy penetrating the upper atmosphere. So, it doesn't always go the desired direction one intended. A certain utility company has been known to direct lightning away from their expensive sub-stations by firing small rockets into an energized cloud, dragging a small wire with it. When the lightning strikes the rocket, the zig-zag shape suddenly straightens out as it follows the wire to ground. It looks very un-natural, but it works.

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12/02/2014 9:26 AM

"A certain utility company has been known to direct lightning away from their expensive sub-stations by firing small rockets into an energized cloud, dragging a small wire with it. When the lightning strikes the rocket, the zig-zag shape suddenly straightens out as it follows the wire to ground. It looks very un-natural, but it works."

Interesting, If I understand the physics involved, it would appear that they're effectively erecting gigantic, single-use lightning rods. They could get the same effect by building a metal 'strike tower' up to the height they launch the rockets to, but that's most likely A) against the local building codes to build that high and B) impossible to make a stable structure that tall with modern materials.

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12/02/2014 11:35 AM

Florida Power & Light uses it. They have automated stations near a few substations.

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Re: Lightning Arrestor

12/01/2014 12:34 PM

There seems to be some confusion as to the difference between a lightning conductor and a surge arrestor in this thread. Please will the original poster remove the confusion?

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12/01/2014 10:52 PM

Good point.

Lightning Rods are used to prevent a strike directly upon the structure. They accept the lightning and direct it through a conductive path to ground or from ground to the space above the structure.

Surge arrestors protect the house wiring system from surges, which can happen from many sources on the power grid, including but not limited to lightning strikes. Though most surge protectors would not be adequate for a lightning strike type surge on the power lines.

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12/02/2014 1:30 PM

Thanks all of you, i mean conductor

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12/01/2014 11:16 PM

Hire a lightning and surge protection specialist and evaluate the danger to the house considering surroundings,material of construction,height,objects located near it etc and assess the level of protection required.

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12/02/2014 5:57 PM

Why bother? Pay your insurance and don't worry! The chances are so slim, it's not worth worrying about. I've lived in Malaysia, West Africa and the Canadian Prairies with some amazing thunderstorms and have never seen a house with a lightening conductor or a specific surge protector.

or if you really, really must, wrap it in chainlink and call it a faraday cage!

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12/03/2014 8:03 AM

Well then, here you go!

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12/03/2014 9:44 PM

Hi,

"...The height of the tower and the top of my house are same..." This statement puts the 66KV OH line out of contention of offering any kind of protection to your structure, ie. based on the Franklin rod concept and its attendant cone of protection. Say taking the less conservative 45deg. protection angle, your structure would need to be right next to the tower for it to offer any kind of protection.

It is often a misconception that provision of structural lightning protection system (LPS) is the panacea of all ills with regards to lightning and surges. Structural LPS at best only serve to channel any lightning discharges safely to ground which would otherwise have discharged through the building structure and cause damage.

Lightning protection goes beyond protecting a building structure either through adopting Franklin rods/Faraday cage concept, or others. (the Early Streamer Emission ESE concept, charge collection volume method, etc are bones of contention) Lightning (not to mentioned switching surges, etc) surges do come in through the power lines as well. Therefore, surge protection devices SPD would serve well in protecting aganist surges infiltrating through the electrical power lines, lightning surges included. In addition downstream electrical/electronic equipment within an electrical installation should be further protected by appropriate SPDs.

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12/03/2014 10:29 PM

As a result of a lightning strike there is a possibility of an induced strike on nearby structures too.

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12/09/2014 12:34 PM

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