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DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/10/2015 5:00 AM

what is the propable rootcause for DC voltage fuse( semiconductor fuse) failure..

recently our ups system DC vlotage fuse failled shudenly and entire ups system stopped.

ups capacity:160 kva,

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Re: DC voltage fuse burnt

01/10/2015 5:39 AM

Either exceeding load limit, or short in the primary switching circuit. Hope it helped Have a nice day

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Re: DC voltage fuse burnt

01/10/2015 5:50 AM

sir, that time load is very less.. 10 to 15 % only.. and after replacing of fuse ups working normally.. so there is no short in the primary switching circuit.. any other resons..

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Re: DC voltage fuse burnt

01/10/2015 9:43 AM

Maybe an intermittent short circuit someplace?

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Re: DC voltage fuse burnt

01/10/2015 11:45 AM

You should exam your loads. More than likely items with large starting currents are overloading your UPS, especially if they are presented simultaneously.

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Re: DC voltage fuse burnt

01/10/2015 3:39 PM

Check the surge current of Your load, specialy if you have a reactive load. Under idel the load current could be fine, the starting reactive load current is usually very high.

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Re: DC voltage fuse burnt

01/11/2015 8:21 AM

When you look at the current, it may help if you use a recorder/data analyser of some sort. Also, look at RMS current, as you may have harmonics due to the type of load being run. Depending on the type of UPS (such as one that usually works in bypass mode and then switch over to battery supply in certain conditions), you could also have some glitch in the transition from normal supply to UPS supply when the primary supply fails.

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Re: DC voltage fuse burnt

01/10/2015 10:00 AM

The only reason a fuse blows is that the current passing through it was more than it could sustain; that is its only job!

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/10/2015 10:57 AM

I think it is hilarious/pathetic that you consider the clearing of a fuse, a PROTECTIVE DEVICE DOING ITS INTENDED FUNTION, as being a "failure"!

The term "failure" can only be applied to a fuse that does NOT clear a fault, resulting in damage, fire, injury or death.

The fact that you cannot now see the fault is meaningless. The fact that the equipment designer chose, at significant extra expense, to use a semiconductor fuse, is indicative of the fact that they KNEW that there was a potential for an extremely fast event and they needed a fuse fast enough to prevent collateral damage.

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01/12/2015 9:45 AM

Well, if you look at the terminology, fuses are hard to describe in engineering terms.

A 'failure point' is the point at which something breaks. The failure point in a rope is when it snaps, the failure point in a column is when it buckles and collapses, the failure point in a wire is when it snaps or melts.

Fuses and other 'self destructing' safety features (such as the water/sand barrels in front of bridge pylons along the highway) are designed with their 'failure point' clearly in mind, they are engineered to 'fail' (break) at a certain point to either stop a flow of energy (as with a fuse) or to absorb energy safely (as in the water or sand barrel rupturing when hit). These safety devices do their job when they fail as planned, and when something goes wrong, they 'fail to fail,' the fuse does not blow in time to protect other equipment, the sand barrel was filled with cement, so instead of crumpling and absorbing the collision energy, it reflects the energy back at the vehicle, increasing the injury potential to the passengers.

The trick when dealing with engineering terms is to mentally separate the concept of 'failure' as the breaking point from the concept of failure as the antonym of success.

When looking at failure points, equipment and structures can be designed so that the failures will happen at predictable times and/or locations, and those times/locations are chosen to minimize injury/damage, so the equipment or structure will 'fail safe.' If failure points are not looked at in the design phase, or they are overridden (by replacing a fuse with a larger value, or filling a sand crash barrel with concrete to 'toughen it up,' then the failure points are in unknown and unpredictable times/places, and the equipment/structure is likely to exacerbate injuries or damage, it will 'fail deadly.'

I guess it requires a certain type om 'mental gymnastics' when dealing with Engineering terms, especially when looking at equipment where 'failure' is the desired result, like having several people named 'Smith' at a plant, and people knowing which smith you mean my listening to the inflections in your voice. Kind of odd that Engineering, a broad field that tends to dislike ambiguities, would have let such a blatant ambiguity settle into the 'trade lingo,' I guess the fail/fail ambiguity is intended to be what passes for a joke among Engineers.

(Self-marking as OT for the linguistics lecture, unless someone finds it offensive, in which case I'm self-marking as OT for failing to tell a good joke.)

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/12/2015 6:14 PM

That's why, in the fuse world, the way a fuse acts to stop the flow of current is referred to as "clearing", not "failure".

The job of a rope is to hold onto something, so when it no longer does, it "fails". The job 0od a fuse is NOT to conduct, that is the job of a "conductor". The job of a column is to hold something up, so when that falls because the column no longer held it, that is the failure of the column.

The job of a fuse is to CLEAR a fault, so the FAILURE of that job function is to FAIL to clear a fault. Clearing the fault is not a failure of the fuse. Sorry, this in unambiguous as far as I, and many people in the Electrical Engineering community, are concerned.

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/13/2015 9:19 AM

Ah, I had never heard of the term 'clearing' in relation to fuses.

Thank you for expanding my vocabulary and clearing up what I thought was an ambiguity due to the missing term in my thesaurus.

Since my training was in electronics, not electrical engineering, fuses and circuit breakers were discussed only briefly, just enough to teach how to select the right size for a circuit, where they should go (on the 'hot' leg for AC, the positive rail for DC, and a three-pole ganged breaker for three phase), and stressing the importance of the fuse/breaker for protecting the components. The term 'clear' was never given, fuses 'blew' and breakers 'tripped.' Only one instructor even covered how to read a 'dead' fuse to help troubleshoot a problem.

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01/13/2015 11:18 AM

The word "CLEAR" is misleading if one is referring to electrical circuits! The 'Fuse" is meant to interrupt current flow, to avoid damaging expensive more important components in a circuit!

The cause(s) of excessive current flow most of the time is and may still be present within the circuitry... And therefore the real cause or causes if not completely eliminated negates the meaning of the word "Clear" in this situation..

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/13/2015 11:37 AM

Doesn't that lead into the Standard Troubleshooting technique for blown fuses?

  1. Depower the equipment.
  2. Replace the fuse.
  3. Re-energize the equipment.
  4. If the fuse does not blow, the fault was a transient spike.
  5. If the fuse DOES blow again, mark the equipment Out of Service and begin diagnostics.

(Some maintenance departments replace 5 with 'If fuse blows again, replace with a larger value.' we all know the headaches those departments cause when they 'fix' things.)

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/10/2015 11:32 PM

Semi-conductor fuse is fast acting to minimise the let-through energy as the semi conductor devices by their size / design cannot absorb much energy.

If you have ruled-out the possibility of any fault in the semi-conductor device or the device, then check whether the enclosure where the fuse is located is hot (not adequately cooled). Higher temperatures can cause premature failure of fuses, if not suitably derated while sizing.

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/11/2015 2:17 AM

Another possible cause is poor electrical/mechanical connection at one or both ends of the fuse, causing heating of the fuse sufficient to melt the element(s). If this is not the case, the fuse is undersized for the load or an overload occurred; fuses very seldom open spontaneously. Semiconductor fuses are very fast-acting -- in the millisecond range -- and an overload which causes the fuse to "blow" may be of such short duration that the problem is not obvious or, even, apparent.

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/11/2015 10:29 AM

Semiconductor fuses are usually sized in units of integral I squared dt. Check the ratings of your devices to determine whether your application falls within the operating window. The fuse manufacturer may perform a failure analysis to determine whether the fuse opened under overload, or short circuit conditions. This should get you to the root cause.

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01/11/2015 11:00 AM

If surge /transient current, shorted /leaky component, dirt or over temp were ruled out as had caused the protective device to be activated, then the problem may have been triggered by the premature failure of the semiconductor fuse in itself.... It may have been an aged component probably?

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/11/2015 8:39 PM

Maybe you need to change out your system for one like the power supplies we have on some of our equipment.

They safely blow the main switching devices to bits before ever ruining a good fuse.

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01/12/2015 4:32 AM

By saying "failure", I think that you mean that the fuse should not be opened because the operational conditions were normal, i.e. the operating UPS current was not exceeding the nominal operating current of the fuse. (Is that right?) If it is so, then maybe it is the inrush current that causes the problem. The inrush current can be really high, especially in the case of capacitive loads. However, if the fuse is located on the input of the UPS circuit there is nothing you can do, except from replacing the fuse and hope that this was just a random incident and it wont happen again. (E.g. maybe the specific fuse part was faulty and, by replacing it, everything will be OK.) But if this problem happens all the time (even after replacing the fuse) then, maybe, there is a design problem and another type of semoconductor fuse should be placed (by the designer of the UPS, not by you) in order to withstand the probable inrush current that may exist.

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/12/2015 9:11 AM

Semiconductor fuses display aging characteristics. This means that the fault current rating can go down over time. If your fuse was old and operating close to its limit, just replacing it my provide another time constant of protection.

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Re: DC Voltage Fuse Burnt

01/12/2015 11:08 PM

good morning, this semiconductor FUSE installed last 5 years back.. is there any specific life time ?. so that we might avoid this type of failures as a preventive actions we replace the fuse that specifi period.

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01/13/2015 6:06 AM

Hi. I would recomend you do a self test and switch Your system to UPS while montering the rise of current in the process of the UPS taking over the load, that information should give you a solid answer to the problem. Fuses are there to do their job and stop further costly damage. Have a pleasant. Day.

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01/13/2015 8:50 AM

The life of the fuse (for a given operating current) is dependent on the diffusion of metals as they warm up during normal operation. The fuse manufacturer normally supplies this type of information in the form of diffusion/temperature charts. I suggest you contact them. Another tip is that the fuse link temperature is related to the ambient temperature, so I recommend that you determine this prior to contacting the manufacturer.

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