Floor Control Valve Package and Zone Control Valves

You CAN'T BE SERIOUS! This is so outrageous as to be criminal! You are a FRAUD.

Asking the forum to do your work for you is a sure sign of incompetence and laziness!

Your last post was a joke. This one is beyond that.

What would you do if someone here actually answered your question?

The situation is more appalling than the responses.

The installation depicted in the sketch is what has actually been carried out and there is the need to establish the minimum essential extent to which it must be corrected. The intent of presenting this scenario was to see what retrofits are suggested.

Therefore would appreciate and looking forward to some positive answers

The most important retrofit to be made here is to replace you with someone who has a clue about their job, the codes in effect at that location, and how to evaluate the existing installation and correct it if need be.

You obviously have no ethics or you would not take on a task about which you know nothing.

Looks good to me too. Go with it. Just don't sign anything that could be used to prosecute you if something goes wrong.

Here's a stamp for you.

Shouting doesn't help, either.

RTFC.

Kind of means stop shouting and read the code.

Looks up to code as far as I know.

I say call it good and hope for the best.

Uhmm, what does the code say? Then stick to it. A what? Of course the code.

It was amusing to read some very positive feedback. I think I submitted the question on the day when most of the respondents were at the peak of sobriety.

With Monday on the way, the following is what I would like to think aloud.

1) Supply all the hose reels from separate branch piping that is not supplying the sprinklers.

2) Ensure that the sprinkler pipe sizes conform with the schedule pipe system or are calculated and sized by hydraulic calculations.

3) Answers are not invited from those who by Monday are still in the hangover phase. Even if there are mistakes and someone finds the matter so offensive, leave this question alone, but dont make sweeping remarks and accusations of crime.

4) As for the previous post in which I had simply sought the findings of any study which stated the probable water usage in outpatient health centers, there was no need for the hue and cry about the question. NO RESPONDENT who raised the hue and cry came up with any figure. I cited that such figures are available for other situations, such as passengers in bus stops, airports, customers in barber shops, health practitioners and so on. I am simply looking for a similar data for outpatients. So there was no need to mask the ignorance by rebuke. All designers use such data and no one reinvents the wheel. That is what I tried to do, but did not know the level of politeness of some of the respondents.

5) The purpose of writing all this is not to enter into an off topic debate. I would appreciate any cogent answers if someone has the ability and willingness to address my original questions. I am not inviting or soliciting any responses from the objectors.

6) Your patience in reading this is appreciated.

You come here demonstrating complete incompetence and then insult people that respond by claiming they are drunk. You are a pathetic human being.

If I had CR4 administrative authority, I would block you from further postings. You pollute everything you touch.

I am always at the peak of sobriety. Did you think your situation would change in the perception of the reader in an actual matter of sobriety ?

My first knee-jerk was "is this character piss-drunk or is this just very poor weed ?"

1) Supply all the hose reels from separate branch piping that is not supplying the sprinklers. WELL OF COURSE . YOU CAN'T REMOVE WATER FROM THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN THE EVENT OF FIRE.

2) Ensure that the sprinkler pipe sizes conform with the schedule pipe system or are calculated and sized by hydraulic calculations. HOLY SH1T!!! 'NUFF SAID....

3) Answers are not invited from those who by Monday are still in the hangover phase. YOU MUST BE AN ILL-EDUCATED TWENTY-SOMETHING. Even if there are mistakes and someone finds the matter so offensive, leave this question alone, but dont make sweeping remarks and accusations of crime. AT THIS POINT, I COULDN'T BE BOTHERED.

4) As for the previous post in which I had simply sought the findings of any study which stated the probable water usage in outpatient health centers, there was no need for the hue and cry about the question. NO RESPONDENT who raised the hue and cry came up with any figure. I cited that such figures are available for other situations, such as passengers in bus stops, airports, customers in barber shops, health practitioners and so on. I am simply looking for a similar data for outpatients. So there was no need to mask the ignorance by rebuke. All designers use such data and no one reinvents the wheel. That is what I tried to do, but did not know the level of politeness of some of the respondents.

5) The purpose of writing all this is not to enter into an off topic debate. I would appreciate any cogent answers if someone has the ability and willingness to address my original questions. I am not inviting or soliciting any responses from the objectors.

6) Your patience in reading this is appreciated. AS AN OUTSIDER, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE HUMAN RACE?

RE: 6) Your patience in reading this is appreciated. AS AN OUTSIDER, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE HUMAN RACE?

DISAPPOINTINGLY: SOME OF THE HUMAN RACE (I MEAN THOSE WHO MADE THEIR BEST EFFORTS TO BREAK ALL RECORDS OF MEANNESS) WERE SWIFT IN BECOMING OBSCENE IN THEIR LANGUAGE AND INTENT. I WROTE IT OFF TO LACK OF SOBRIETY DUE TO THE WEEKEND. OBSERVING THIS SPILLOVER INTO MONDAY, I NOW ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE MORALS THAT ARE IN THE PITS THESE DAYS. I SAW IT HAPPEN WHEN I WAS AT UNIVERSITY AND SOME OF YOU HAVE SHOWN ME THE GLIMPSES OF THIS SAD REALITY IN FULL BLOOM. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILDREN!

THIS IS WHAT I HONESTLY SAW FROM FAR AWAY. THANKS FOR ASKING. I HOPE YOU TURN IT INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE AND NOT JUST ANOTHER INCITEMENT TO RETORT BACK WITH THE LACK OF WISDOM THAT IS MORE DESPERATE THAN MY LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH NFPA CODES

It appears that you are incapable of reading and understanding the code. By definition you are then incompetent. Kudos for recognizing your incompetence, you asked for help. Shame on you for asking for this type of help from a public forum. You cannot and should not present enough information at a public forum for somebody to properly perform this job. And this is job that people will take your money while they stake their license and expertise when they present their formal documentation. CR4 is not a free engineering service.

I hope and pray that this is not a real situation. That this hospital design is a class assignment or you enjoy playing sick jokes. If this is real, hire an engineering firm to review the designs. Quit your job so they can reuse your salary to pay for competent engineering services.

Please tell the forum where you are employed.

It would be improper to ask you where you work, because you do not work.

You want others to do the work/legwork/specification review for you.

You are still a loser, and will be on Monday.

There is an American Society of Hospital Engineers (ASHE) that you can call for consultation! A more knowledgeable or authoritative group of engineers the specialty is healthcare /hospitals!

I'll bet they ask for money.

And, they wouldn't ask someone else to do the work for them for free!

That's called ethics.

Advice with some referrals can normally be free, like my type of response to the OP!

Excellent answer.

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The advice is methodical and logical and polite.

Thanks and keep it up so that the others in the forum learn the art of good communication.

In case the others do not assume my remarks in the last post are for them, I would like to be specific that they were for Red Neck (sorry the complete name is not in front of this reply box).

Thanks again.

Let me help you. It's redfred.

Jeez, can't you do anything for yourself?

Please include me in your list, too.

I suggest that you look at the post from chic.inside.

She had a legitimate problem and asked for help finding a solution.

She didn't ask members of the forum to DO HER WORK FOR HER, as you have done.

Good luck.

Wow. You are so clueless that you applaud those that point out your own incompetence.

Maybe that's the first sign of hope....

RE: 6) Your patience in reading this is appreciated. AS AN OUTSIDER, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE HUMAN RACE?

DISAPPOINTINGLY: SOME OF THE HUMAN RACE (I MEAN THOSE WHO MADE THEIR BEST EFFORTS TO BREAK ALL RECORDS OF MEANNESS) WERE SWIFT IN BECOMING OBSCENE IN THEIR LANGUAGE AND INTENT. I WROTE IT OFF TO LACK OF SOBRIETY DUE TO THE WEEKEND. OBSERVING THIS SPILLOVER INTO MONDAY, I NOW ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE MORALS THAT ARE IN THE PITS THESE DAYS. I SAW IT HAPPEN WHEN I WAS AT UNIVERSITY AND SOME OF YOU HAVE SHOWN ME THE GLIMPSES OF THIS SAD REALITY IN FULL BLOOM. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILDREN!

THIS IS WHAT I HONESTLY SAW FROM FAR AWAY. THANKS FOR ASKING. I HOPE YOU TURN IT INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE AND NOT JUST ANOTHER INCITEMENT TO RETORT BACK WITH THE LACK OF WISDOM THAT IS MORE DESPERATE THAN MY LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH NFPA CODES

Repeating something doesn't make it the truth.

Get a copy of the codes and read them!!!! Otherwise you're just a unethical pretender, taking money for something about which you know nothing and are apparently are too lazy to learn.

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There is no money involved in this Lyn. You are making sweeping remarks again.

I have taken the points you have made positively and have turned them into learning experiences for myself despite their meanness (both embedded and visible).

However, I do not see any compunction from the other side. In this scenario, all I can say is to quote the following (I don't know who said it, whether it was Albert Einstein or someone, or whether it is the corollary of his theory of relativity or its summary, or maybe the concluding remark of Chapter 13 of NFPA) but here it is:

You can bring the horse to the water, but you cannot make it drink. I tried time and again to tame the shrew(s) but failed. (I wonder what's the plural of shrew, but that is off topic and not part of NFPA)

Anyway, I am exiting from this non productive discussion due to lack of time and interest.

Meanwhile, I leave you next to the water. If your good judgment ever governs, you can perhaps fathom the point I tried to make with you, which is much more important than NFPA. Bye bye and good luck.

Thanks

WE don't do homework either.