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Earth Leakage Current

01/15/2015 11:13 AM

We have underground cable of 200 meter for panel to Pump house. Three separate 3 ph 4 wire cable connected to three different product pumps(say X,Y,Z) with three different switch. Z cable's 3 phase is connected with pump starter ans one phase with 4 th wire is connected to few light fittings for lighting purpose. Now the problem if we switch on Z connection, leakage current found in some portion of soil as well as mild electrical shock. If only X/Y is on then every thing is ok. Another problem is if we switch on Z connection even if X and Y is switch off then all three phase of Xand Y conductors is showing current. Can any one suggest how and why this is happening? We have done meggering but unable to find the faults.

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01/15/2015 12:10 PM

Isolate the faulty equipment immediately and call in a qualified Electrician to chase out the fault. Do it before someone gets hurt/killed. Keep records of all the testing.

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01/15/2015 12:44 PM

...because it looks like there is a connection between earth and neutral on the single phase stuff connected to Z, but I can't see it from here.

Why there is no RCCD on the single phase stuff is a mystery.

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01/15/2015 2:16 PM

Is the system a 4 wire "WYE" with 3 phases and a neutral?

Or is it a "DELTA" connected system.

If it is a "WYE" system with a neutral you need to verify the neutral is connected to the star point on the secondary of the transformer and that the connection is solidly grounded/earthed with less that 1 ohm resistance/impedance.

You also need to verify the neutral is earthed/grounded at the lighting distribution panel with less than 1 ohm resistance/impedance.

If it is a DELTA connected system you either have a faulty cable or a fault in the field lighting & power circuits.

If you do not understand what either of these systems are and know the difference, I advise you to contact and/or hire a competent electrical person familiar with all applicable electrical, building, and safety codes for your area.

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01/15/2015 8:08 PM

My vote's on the improperly connected/broken neutral. I've seen this sort of thing before. When the three phase load is nearly perfectly equal, no problem. Add a small amount of lighting to one of the phases and the fun begins.

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01/15/2015 4:06 PM

Clearly you have an installation that doesn't comply with British Standard 7671!

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01/15/2015 4:15 PM

Usually people include a schematic of the problem. If you check both ends of the cable and draw it out, the mistake should be clear enough. Without the drawing, we can only guess. It is possible to run some things while connected improperly. That is why it is important to use a properly trained electrician.

In the USA, the electrical code was written by the Fire Department. That is simply because they got tired of putting out fires caused by people who didn't understand why getting it right is so important.

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01/15/2015 5:55 PM

You have a short somewhere. Find it, and lengthen it!

Seriously, hire an electrician. The fact that you have come to an anonymous forum for help says a lot.

If your house was on fire, would you ask the forum how to put it out?

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01/16/2015 3:37 AM

LOL!!

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01/16/2015 10:10 AM

Are lines of 3 phase nowadays switch individually & independently at different times- How is it possible for split phase?

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01/16/2015 11:33 AM

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01/16/2015 6:39 PM

I never liked the term "split-phase" where the grounded conductor is connected to the center-tap of the transformer to provide line-to-line at (usually) 240V and line to 'neutral' at 120V. That is how most homes here in the U.S. are wired at the service entrance. I myself prefer the term, 'single phase, center-tapped'. That is because here in the U.S. we have branch circuits dedicated for heating/cooling, domestic hot water, cooking ranges, electric dryers, and other 240V loads like welders, compressors, etc. that are wired line-to-line. The rest of our branch circuits are 120V and they are wired line to 'neutral', but you probably already know that. I've never seen the term 'split-phase' in the NFPA 70 which is also known as the NEC for electrical code here in the U.S.

Two-phase in regard to home wiring is just flat out wrong. Two-phase is an arcane power delivery (five wires) designed to allow for simple motors that were self-starting. I can't imagine that there is much two-phase industry left.

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01/17/2015 5:20 AM

Good explanation. Many thanks.

I actually did know how it worked, but thats not a problem either way for me.

I was simply not understanding what Noudge79 was trying to say....it made no real sense to me with respect to the blog....

Did you understand better what Noudge79 was trying to say?

Please explain to me if you did, and thanks in advance for your help, but no problem if you are unsure too...

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01/18/2015 2:46 PM

No, not a clue.

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01/18/2015 3:39 PM

I feel that we were probably not alone.....

Then its up to Noudge79 to properly explain what he was trying to say......it was otherwise a waste of a post!!

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Re: Earth Leakage Current

01/16/2015 2:49 PM

try to change your lighting connection,instead connect it before the 3 starters of your electric motor. if the problem still exist check your grounding system..

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