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Electrical Generator

02/18/2015 11:45 AM

Dear all,

can any body tell why electrical generator capacity is expressed in kVa or mVa unlike motors which are in kW

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02/18/2015 12:15 PM

I expect it has to do with the maximum current rating of the windings. A low power factor load would draw more current for the same amount of KW power.

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02/18/2015 12:29 PM
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02/18/2015 12:31 PM

I guess it depends on where you live....

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02/18/2015 11:48 PM

All of our military generators are always referred to by their kW ratings. Uses fewer letters so we can save on ink.

(The assumption of course is that the kW rating is for unity power factor only, and if you have less than that, you will need to do some math to find out whether the generator is up to the challenge.)

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02/19/2015 9:58 AM

"All of our military generators are always referred to by their kW ratings. Uses fewer letters so we can save on ink."

Yup, the MilSpec loves to use TLA's as SOP, even when it leaves the PFP completely SOL about the meaning, risking the entire operation to be FUBARed.

For the Initially Challenged:

MilSpec - Military Specifications

TLA - Three Letter Abbreviation

SOP - Standard Operating Procedures

PFP - Poor, Foolish* Private

SOL - Stuck* Out of Luck

FUBAR - Fouled* Up Beyond All Recognition.

*If you were in the military, you know what the REAL words are for here. I'm too polite to use language like that in a public forum.

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02/18/2015 12:50 PM

Anybody who knows that the current is limited by various factors such as the size of the windings, the rating of the over current protection device and the size of the cables connected does. Anybody who knows that were it powering a reactive load the current is out of phase with the voltage does. And anybody who knows that this source does not dissipate those kW from within itself does as well.

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02/18/2015 1:26 PM

Maybe reading this will help you understand. If not, after searching this forum, come back with a specific question.

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02/18/2015 1:46 PM

Actually here in the USA small electrical generators are usually rated in KW (Kilowatts) and larger electrical generators are rated in MW (Megawatts) while KVA and MVA are terms normally used for transformer size rating.

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02/19/2015 12:47 PM

Well, you are at least partialy correct in that assessment, however, on further review, every one of the turbine-generators has KVA on the nameplate rating, along with what power factor that rating applies to, at least at the company where I work.

The MW rating only applies to power factor greater than 99%.

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02/18/2015 10:54 PM

I was taught when i was a junior electrician, that generators require both ratings. In simple terms.

The max current is partially based on the max heat removal capacity. That is if you can keep the windings cool you can carry more current. (insulation and other components won't become damaged)

The max voltage rating is based on the insulation resistance of the windings. The better the insulation, the higher the allowed voltage.

Obviously, if you max out the insulation, you can't cool it as efficiently so both ratings must be considered.

The prime mover (steam turbine, IC engine, wind vanes, etc) has to supply the real power (kw)(real power) component.

So this can limit the maximum current for a given voltage as well. That is the simple reason why generators use kVa (apparent power)

Motors are rated for KW since you need to know how much real work they can do.

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02/18/2015 11:35 PM

A generator will always be rated in VA for the same reason that a transformer is, because its capacity is limited by the amount of current in can handle. Because losses (and heating) are I², and the squaring operation is indifferent to the power factor.

A generator set's rating is often based upon the "weakest link" in the unit. If the prime mover is maxxed out at say 100kW, that's all the real power that can be delivered regardless of the power factor. If the electric generator is maxxed out on current carrying capability then the rating will be kVA at a specified power factor, and the prime mover should enough extra hp to provide the additional kW at unity power factor (unless the prvious limitation applies).

It's a number game and you have to understand exactly what the manufacturer is telling you (or not), especially when buying those el-cheapo imported units (think in terms of 7kW surge power)

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