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Can the Function of Petrol be Replaced in a Generator?

03/06/2015 2:12 AM

I am working on a project and I need some help. Assuming you can keep the rotary motion in a generator steady without having to burn fuel, will the generator still give out electricity?

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03/06/2015 2:42 AM

Assume that the generator will stop rather quick and you have to burn fuel to get it back to where it was.

How do you rotate the generator if not with burning fuel?

You need to explain your setup! If you apply a water wheel or wind mill and drive the generator like this ... is that the question?

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03/06/2015 2:40 PM

Yes, that's the question. Thanks

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03/09/2015 12:10 AM

See 4#

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03/06/2015 3:31 AM

Well, if it would, don't you think somebody would have been doing it before now?

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03/06/2015 6:23 AM

Sure it will. The fuel has nothing to do with the generator producing electricity. The fuel is used to power an engine that rotates the generator. If you can rotate the generator by some means other than a fuel powered engine, the generator will produce electricity.

As a footnote: I am surprised you are working on a project like this and you do not understand this, you must be pretty early on in your project...lots of learning coming your way hopefully.

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03/06/2015 7:42 AM

the answer to all your problems

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03/06/2015 8:39 AM

The Hamster still needs to eat (fuel).

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03/06/2015 12:37 PM

But alfalfa pellets are a sustainable, carbon neutral fuel.

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03/06/2015 1:00 PM

Yea, but is Hamster poop?

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03/06/2015 1:03 PM

That's used to fertilize the alfalfa crop.

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03/06/2015 1:12 PM

OK, so lets build a hamster powered car. Lets see ummmmmm around 100 hamsters which power the car, the alfalfa crop is on the roof, the poop is transferred to the roof then (use of automation) the crop is transferred back to the hamsters???

FREE TRANSPORTATION! And some really buff hamsters.

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03/06/2015 1:33 PM

There must be a balance between the weight of the hamster and it's endurance. A guy in San Francisco tried hamster-power and the hamsters kept disappearing.

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03/06/2015 1:05 PM

Once dried, it burns quite nicely in the pellet stove. Or sprinkled on oatmeal the garden.

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03/09/2015 2:35 PM

So do hamsters, of course.

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03/09/2015 2:33 PM

Doesn't that make it solar-powered, then?

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03/07/2015 3:06 AM

Holland America Cruise Lines has 1,000,000 of these on the Hamsterdam.

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03/07/2015 10:07 AM

Oh Snap!

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03/07/2015 10:47 AM

Will they be doing the hamster dance?

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03/06/2015 8:19 AM

Yes and no.

Yes, your given assumption that the rotary motion will be sustained will allow the generator to continue to make electricity.

No, your given assumption implies a misunderstanding in Newtonian Physics. A finite amount of energy is mechanically stored in the rotational momentum of the moving parts of this generator and engine assembly. (I am assuming the un-fueled engine is still attached.) This mechanical energy will be fairly quickly reduced by the power robbing processes still in place; bearing friction, air compression and cooling motion, heat loss, and the electric loads still attached to the output of the generator. If another mechanical power source will be fairly quickly (automatically) applied to the generator shaft then one can successfully use the rotating momentum to power the generator during the brief transition time.

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03/06/2015 8:32 AM

Yes, as long as the generator is electrically and mechanically 100% operational and there is a dependable source of electricity to provide initial excitation.

The amount of power produced by the generator is directionally proportional to the level of excitation applied to the generator excitation windings.

The frequency of the power produced will depend on the type and design of generator (AC or DC) and the speed the generator shaft is rotated.

The generator must be operated within design constraints in order to be functional.

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03/06/2015 9:33 AM

Yes. This is done all the time with wind, wave and hydroelectric power generation.

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03/09/2015 3:01 PM

...and hamsters...

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03/06/2015 3:49 PM

And then there is the linear generator.

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03/07/2015 11:22 PM

Engine emits exhaustgas but motor doesn't.Therefore electrical drives are more clean and driven machine be mounted in any convenient orientation.Speed regulation by VFD is very popular and saves energy.

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03/09/2015 4:36 AM

So you think he should use an electric motor to drive the generator? Can't you see a problem with that?

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03/09/2015 8:14 AM

It applies to any driven machine,not only for generator,for nearly constant speed.Even motor can be mounted vertically as in VTP to save space without the need for a drive.

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03/09/2015 9:20 AM

I guess you cannot see a problem.

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03/09/2015 10:29 AM

My gentle sarcasm seems to have been wasted!

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Try being less gentle, then.

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06/16/2015 11:36 PM

What if we mount the motor horizontally?

Jus askin.

I think the answer will be "Free energy"

What exactly are you trying to say???

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03/09/2015 2:57 PM

So, what drives the motor that is turning the generator, Mildred? Dried hamsters?

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