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Thanks Lyn for the info, I have seen two of those sites, I contacted several people there before and received similar responses ( that I need to contact manufacturers to get specific information on their products).

Here's what I need ( OK, you live in Arizona and I live in California ( ya, I know your sorry) . A swamp cooler is sold in your state ( country) but not mine, you can get info on the unit, but I can't because the company can't understand why I would want information on something that is not sold here and I tell them I want to stay ahead of the learning curve ( kinda like I want to be as knowledgeable as the people in your state) sometimes it seems that wanting to be more knowledgeable about everything is not normal, although I don't see why it wouldn't be.

So you, get the info for me, or tell me where it is, website, PDF file etc. I download it, make my own book and add it to my library. Just because something is not sold here today, does not mean it won't be sold here tomorrow.

Is your ID half location?

10-4. Presently I am not wanted by anyone, so I don't mind hiding out in the open.

Here are links to a couple of standards documents from ASHRAE. Have you already checked their website? I didn't but here's the link in case you want it.

Method of Test for Rating Direct Evaporative Coolers

Method of Test for Rating Indirect Evaporative Coolers

I'm surprised at the lack of cooperation from the manufacturers.

I can see that my question was too generalized, I will attempt to make it more specific.

First let me say that I am not an engineer by trade, I am a service technician, although at times I need to design, engineer and fabricate items and applications where a previous system did not exist beforehand. I am seeking to expand my knowledge base in residential and commercial evaporation cooling technologies, this pursuit will enable me to have a better understanding of current and future trends and will lead to greater economic opportunities. Engineers can design the mechanism, I can service and fix them.

I am looking to obtain service, diagnostic, schematic and parts literature for residential and commercial coolers from the following companies:

1. Climatech/ Bonaire/Australia. ( Integra/ Hush drive/ Envirowing)

2. Fijian Siboly Envirotech Co. Ltd.

3. Fuzhou Green Mechanical and Electrical Technology Co. Ltd.

Actually the list is much longer, but these are a few of them. The Australians and the Chinese are currently at the forefront of this technology, for the most part, they are building and marketing coolers using Axial fan systems with micro controllers, whereas other companies are still using squirrel cages.

I hope this helps/ Tony

I would go with something like this, let them know you can't order anything without the needed information.

If they continue to play hardball, just start telling them you are going to recommend against their devices for your potential customers.

Just make it clear to them they are going to lose out on a lot of potential sales.

Hi Tony,

Not sure if you have been on the website of Bonaire but they do have plenty of info on there equipment (www.bonaire.com.au/support2/ownersManual.aspx), if you don't find what you are looking for contact them and i'm sure they'll oblige.(They may direct you to a local supplier)

Cheers

It was a time when I was keeping an Electronics Repair Shop. It wasn't very fast, but I was contacting people in the technical support of the manufacturer, and explained that I need their schematics for repairing. Most of them would help if they didn't have a service shop. If they helped, it was, usually, with a nondisclosure agreement.

Also, there are places, over the internet, where you can buy schematics, service manuals, etc...

Hello guys,

The Australian supplier that you are all so keen to hit with a big stick is actually a relatively small family owned and run operation. Their website tells their story and how they have fought to retain that ownership against foreign competitors.

I notice that they only have Australian distributors, but if there is a potential market in the US, they might be very interested in having a distributor over there.

Tony, if you live where I think you are (72 square miles in the county and near a significant lake, with a very modest annual rainfall), then you are in an ideal location for this technology.

Speaking of big sticks, wasn't it Winston Churchill who carried a big stick and wanted to hit someone with it ? I wouldn't want to hit anyone with a stick, they might sick a dogaroo on me.

As for the company Climate Technologies ( Climatech ) they sell a cooler here in the U.S. called the Durango, which incidentally is the same name used in Australia. As for the protection from foreign competition, this is what I understand: Climatech outsourced some of their manufacturing to China, the Chinese companies copied the Australian technology and this helped to start cooler production in China ( there are literally dozens of Chinese companies using this " Borrowed " technology ) ( check alibaba if you don't believe me ) and started to export the coolers to markets where Australian companies had developed, literally flooding those markets ( how do you compete with central planning committee sponsored companies and workers that get 50 cents an hour ? ) so they brought most of the production back to Australia. It takes a lot of money when you eliminate your intelligesia in a cultural revolution, have a one child policy and feed a million man army. Sometimes I think Australian leaders are smarter than our leaders. Getting back to the coolers, I went to google, typed in Bonaire integra and got a PDF files for installation instructions on several different coolers but could not find a parts list, if you live in Australia and have one of these units installed on your home or commercial building and need service, the instructions tell you to contact a " service provider " , here in america, if you have Durango installed on your home ( the warranty excludes commercial installations ) , you can go to a webpage to view parts, see prices and order parts online or from a distributor like The Home Depot. So we know that Bonaire imports the Durango here, why not the Integra or one of its variants ? The fittament of the unit is very similar to rooftop units that are presently in use here with a slight difference, the installation instructions call for the unit to be mounted on a Dropper ( roof jack ) with a 550 x 550 mm ( 21.6 in ) opening, since the fan speed can be reduced, it would be a small matter to fit an adapter plate ( generally residential are 18" and commercials are 22" or larger ) . Maybe there is some kind of agreement with the two american companies that sell, but not completely manufacture coolers here. It has been somewhat difficult to track down what is made here or what is made there, for example, the Mastercool MCP 44 has a circuit board that is by NOKE, it is built with components that have a wide variance and its design places capacitors in an area where the heat can cause the ic's to malfunction, whereas the Bonaire board is built by Samsung and is a much better design ( both of my brothers in laws are electronic engineers so they help me sort these things out ) . Anyway enough for now, I promised my neighbor I would help him install a wastewater drainage line/ Tony

NO. That was Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States, who also is noted for

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."

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