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Annubar Discrepancy

03/13/2015 7:34 AM

We are using an annubar to measure air flow in a stack. The air is sucked from the atmosphere down a vertical pipe then into the process. The stack is 50m long. We have two annubars in the stack. One 8m from the bottom and the other 28m from the bottom. Both of the Annubars are set up identical to each other. Diff. Pressure transmitters set up the same. All the calc. is done on the PLC.

D.P.; Temp and pressure are required for this calculation. We are not using temp sensors and pressure transmitters but we have fixed values in the calculation. These values are identical for points.

The issue is that the flow is always different between these points.

My question is should they be different? If not, should we be different pressure values for the calc. at these points?

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Re: Annubar Discrepancy

03/13/2015 11:13 AM

They should be different.

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Re: Annubar Discrepancy

03/13/2015 12:09 PM

I'd guess there's more pressure at the bottom of the stack.

So, probably more flow.

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03/13/2015 12:13 PM

After breakfast, you could look up "laminar flow" for fluid dynamics.*burp*

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03/13/2015 2:42 PM

Most stacks have a smaller inside diameter at the top than at the bottom which will affect the reading of the annubar.

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Re: Annubar Discrepancy

03/14/2015 6:34 AM

Yes,there should be a difference,influenced by many factors.

Have you considered using a multi-variable transmitter for your process?

It could simplify your measurement and increase accuracy to integrate these measurements into one instrument.

Here is a link to one such instrument:

Good luck.

Confucius say:Man with two watches never know what time it is."

http://www2.emersonprocess.com/en-us/brands/rosemount/pressure/pressure-transmitters/multivariable-transmitters/3051s-multivariable/pages/index.aspx

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Re: Annubar Discrepancy

03/15/2015 11:09 AM

Eltech,

Can you make a sketch or mechanical diagram for the stack and flow meters? including lengths and diameters

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05/11/2015 8:40 AM

No, the readings should not be different, but how big is the discrepancy?

I assume no air is lost between the 2 annubars, or you would have said. In that case the mass flow is the same at both, and since the pressure and temperature won't change significantly over the 20m, the actual volume flows are also equal.

If the pipe area at the 2 annubars is the same, the ΔP should be the same. Is it? If it is, there's a problem with the PLC calc. If not, with the annubar set-up.

If not, the ΔP varies as 1/A2, which you can use to compare the ΔP data.

Also you could try putting a known ΔP on each transmitter and check the PLC gives same flow.

The actual pressure at the lower annubar due to the 20m height of air is about 2.4mbar. That causes the ΔP at the lower annubar to be lower by a factor ~ √(1 - 0.0024), a 0.1% change, which is well within the system error.

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