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Spain mandates affordable broadband for all

Posted November 23, 2009 1:59 PM

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Spanish officials said earlier this week that the government will require service providers to offer broadband with speeds of at least 1 Mbps at regulated rates to residents living anywhere in the country. The Spanish telecommunications minister issued a statement Tuesday declaring that broadband would be added to the country's so-called "universal service," which guarantees reasonably priced telephone service to citizens, Reuters reported. The goal is to offer affordable broadband with speeds of at least 1 Mbps to residents by 2011. To achieve this goal the Spanish government will require any service provider that gets universal service funds to also include broadband services to any home as part of its service. Last month, Finland's minister of communications announced a similar plan. By July 1, 2010, every person in Finland will have the right to a 1 Mbps connection. While the 1Mbps speeds don't sound like much, Spanish and Finnish officials say it's just the beginning. They hope this speed will serve as a starting point. And they believe that network operators will increase speeds over time. Finland has already established aggressive public policies in place to encourage more ubiquitous and faster broadband deployments. In 2008, the Finnish government said it would pay a third of the cost to wire the country with fiber by 2015. These mandates come at a time when the U.S. Federal Communications Commission is drafting a national broadband policy that outlines a plan for policies to help provide universal broadband to every American. The plan will be presented to Congress in February 2010. In a report this week to the FCC, the task force working on the national broadband policy highlighted several barriers to universal broadband, including problems with the U.S. Universal Service Fund. But taking action to change the system is difficult. The U.S. Universal Service Fund subsidizes the cost of building telephone infrastructure throughout the country in places where it is too expensive to deploy such services. Much of the money from this fund, which is collected from consumers as part of their monthly phone bills, is still being used to subsidize regular telephony service. Many policy makers and government officials say the program needs to be revised to include broadband. And the funding mechanism also needs to be revised. While many consumer advocates believe the U.S. government should take a more active role in directing policy in way similar to what is happening in Finland and Spain, it's important to note that the U.S. is a much larger country by population and geography than either of these countries. To put it in context, Finland has about 5.3 million residents, compared to more than 300 million people who live in the U.S. Developing and funding universal broadband access in the U.S. will cost anywhere between $20 billion and $350 billion, according to government estimates. That said, establishing a clear policy road map could help pave the way to truly affordable high speed Internet access everywhere in the U.S.

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11/23/2009 10:36 PM

Once again the corporate greed in the USA hurls us behind the pack we once lead. My phone service wants to bill me extra to get a 1Mbps link and I have better service options than most of the country. My earlier days of a 2400 baud modem and QLink are starting to look like the good old days again.

Bravo Spain and Finland!

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11/23/2009 11:26 PM

I am sure the "Framers" meant to put that in our Constitution (just like universal health care), but it must have slipped through the cracks or maybe "Big TV" lobby or some other "Big" something got it squashed before the Bill of Rights was enacted.

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11/24/2009 10:25 AM

You're correct, its not at all a mandate in the Constitution. I agree that it should not be a mandate in the Constitution that any independent commerce media should be supported by the Government. Still and all in this case, I do believe our Government is letting us down. The Internet is this century's equivalent of the interstate highway system. The interstate highway system was deemed to be a Federal concern due to the Interstate Commerce clause. The lack of broadband access in this country is affecting our economy in ways few people want to discuss.

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11/24/2009 10:40 AM

Let's see if I understand you correctly. Your argument goes like this.

Premise: The phone company wants to bill me for 1 Mbps internet service.

Conclusion: Corporate greed is hurling the USA behind the pack.

It seems that there ought to be some intermediate steps to this argument, but they escape me. Would you elucidate for me please?

Here's how the situation looks to at least one outsider.

1: You want your telephone service provider to give you free internet on top of your phone service.

2: The telephone service provider wants you to pay for said internet service.

3: You are discontent with this arrangement.

4: Therefore you blame "corporate greed" for preventing you and others from getting something for nothing.

Perhaps the "greed" does not lie in the heart of those who want to be reimbursed for the time and materials it takes to set up a 1 Mbps internet infrastructure. Could it be that the greed is in the heart of the one who wants to take it from them for nothing?

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11/25/2009 2:27 PM

Gee, just about every point I was trying to make has been misunderstood. My point is that my phone company wishes to charge me extra for their Premium high speed data rate that in Spain and Finland their government now mandates as a minimum communication speed. Many years back, before I obtained a cable modem, I tried to get an advertised DSL high speed connection from my phone company. To my surprise the only way I could do this was to pay for a new cable run from my house to the backbone connection, ten miles away. Had some neighbor paid for their high speed line to be brought closer to my house, I would not have to pay as much of an initial fee. Now this same company is advertising fiber capability and guess what. The fiber stops at the same backbone node location, I can get the same DSL cable run for an inflation driven higher fee than what I was offered many years earlier. (I wonder why nobody paid for a high speed phone line in my area over the years?) But I'll have to pay an extra monthly fee for this DSL line to be equivalent to the 1Mbps that Spain and Finland mandates as a minimum capability for any citizen that chooses.

At no point did I expect anybody's broadband connection to be free. But why must I cover all of the overhead charges myself if my neighbor could tap on for less later. I certainly don't mind paying my fair share, but...

Lastly, I meant my parallel to the interstate highway system. I firmly believe that by not mandating the availability of broadband communication capability everywhere in the USA (for a reasonable fee for those who choose), we are rapidly falling behind the rest of the world. This fundamental infrastructure weakness is hampering fiscal growth in the US in to many ways to count.

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11/25/2009 4:13 PM

"I certainly don't mind paying my fair share..."

If this was Spain you would be paying your fair share and a portion of everyone else's share as well. It isn't coincidence that Spain's taxes are very high.

Sure, you can have government mandate and even deliver every little thing in the world for you, but you will pay out the anus for it in taxes.

The point, my point, is why the hell would you suckle up to government for every thing you want and need when it has been proven, time and time again, century after century, that government is the most expensive way to get anything done?

There are some exceptions to that, but for the most part it is completely true. This is what they call bureaucracy.

However, if you would rather have and pay the cost for socialism in the USA to take care of you cradle to grave; you are in luck. Right now the socialists seem to have the upper hand.

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11/25/2009 4:47 PM

Why must it always be all one way or the other.

I believe that in this instance providing broadband access to all people who want it, the economic benefits to all businesses in the country out weigh the phone company's bottom line worries. Without a government mandate I see the broadband coverage in the US versus other industrialized countries slipping farther back.

Or are you saying that the socialist plot of Eisenhower to install the Interstate Highway system has crippled domestic economic growth here so badly that imposing a mandate on the digital infrastructure of this country will only make it worse?

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11/25/2009 8:15 PM

"...are you saying that the socialist plot of Eisenhower to install the Interstate Highway system has crippled domestic economic growth..."

No, I did not say that the government can do no good. However, everyone has their pet projects and where does it end?

In the case of the internet, I don't believe that the current internet system in the USA has anything to do with our competitiveness, or lack thereof, to the rest of the world.

Maybe you can make a case otherwise, but I think that the current root of our problems are exasperated by by our public and private debt load, taxes, wasteful government partisan spending and its disdain for our free markets; not our download speed of CR4.

I can't for the life of me see how increasing internet speeds across the board would improve our employment, debt, and government spending sprees. The internet is not the backbone of our free markets, but you could make an excellent case that the government taxes (and the ones about to sock us in the corporate pockets), the restrictions on energy, and the mushrooming government debt are directly crippling economic growth.

However, if I am wrong about the internet, then Spain will be an excellent litmus test and we can all watch in dismay as Spain conquers cancer, sends men to Mars, and spams the rest of the world with junk mail at lightning speed.

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11/30/2009 11:44 AM

I can't for the life of me see how increasing internet speeds across the board would improve our employment, debt, and government spending sprees.

The answer is time. I work out of my home and some of my work is quite large. Cad models and designs. Not only speed but the quality of transferring files to my costumer means allot to me and my customers.

Back in the eighties I had to justify computers for my department ($25,000 a pop) took 3 months had it all approved and a manager from another department went to the CFO (last and final approval signature) and told him, I didn't need a faster computer. His justification...because you can only type so fast.

Its hard to believe but this killed it, I bought my own and started working out of my house........for them. Why, because they were not as efficient, with some projects over $10 mil +.

They though I was crazy, but I did the justifications and knew.

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12/01/2009 9:25 PM

Your situation is not the norm. Most people do not work from home nor do they transfer huge volumes of data. Nigerian scammers would be an exception to that rule.

My point was that investing in a new internet infrastructure would not be worth the investment. Particularly with the government running outlandish deficits that we can't pay back for decades.

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12/01/2009 9:56 PM

Good day Anonymous Hero: (

My point was that investing in a new internet infrastructure would not be worth the investment. Particularly with the government running outlandish deficits that we can't pay back for decades.

My misunderstandig and apologies to you.

With the understanding I agree with you on that

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12/01/2009 10:10 PM

Precisely what the railroad barons said about the Interstate Highway system. Nobody's using a highway in the few places its available here to the best of its abilities. There aren't enough automobiles built for the masses for this to be practical. Cars that are as fast as the railroad are a rich person's toy. It will not be worth building because the railroad works for the masses.

Well here's an added flash news report, nobody's job is the norm.

I don't presume to know how a widely available high speed computer access will be used by the masses. I suspect that most of the traffic will not be used by people working from home. But I do believe that it will permit more to be able to work from home. I believe that those who use it for amusement will generate more business for more legal profit.

We are falling behind Europe once again.

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12/02/2009 12:17 AM

Just though of something,

If the governent mandates it, do they have a right to monitor the data traffic? If not already.

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12/02/2009 9:18 AM

Interesting point there, you maybe onto something. I would expect that broadband hard line communications would come under the realm of a telephone conversation. Therefore a wiretap warrant would be required. But wireless near broadband communication is a broadcast that does not require a warrant. Maybe this is why hard line broadband is not being developed as much here.

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