California Schemin': New TV Programming

Applied to screen sizes up to 58 in, the standard will save the state over $8 billion in energy costs over 10 years.

And how the state figures is that the imposed taxes has already been spent.

"Applied to screen sizes up to 58 in," HAHAHA, watch for a surge in the availability of sets over 58"!

LMAO...Oh this kind of crap makes me so angry.

"Concerned that TV use accounts for 10% of the average household's electricity consumption in California"

So instead of reducing TV viewing, we should just wait for industries to produce more efficient TV's (or wait for the government to make them do it).

So is California going to regulate their borders to prevent illegal trafficking of "energy less-efficient" TV's?

I feel the same way about cars. Yea, that new car that gets 3 more mpg will help save energy but how much more would you save by driving at your car's optimum speed for fuel efficiency rather than driving 80 mph on the interstate?

I wonder when people will learn that manufacturers aren't the problem. WE ARE.

So is California going to regulate their borders

California is one of the most regulated states, and has its own over regulated status to uphold.

p911

Actually by implementing a number of regulations prior to the federal government that meet or exceed federal guidlines, California is frequently self regulating on state issues more effectively that following the Federal regulations. The CEQA oprocess is internationally recognized and copied by numerous States and a few nations, rather than utilizing the US governmentsl NEPA process. Similarly California's Air Quality regulations are more effective and less burdensome than the USEPAs processes. Because they study and properly implement these programs prior to federal implementations, frequently their are exemptions for California Regulations written into Federal Laws and regulations. This has allowed other states to implement programs similar to california as an alternative to implementing programs that duplicate Federal programs, and reduce some of the bureaucracy of the Federal Government processes. Admittedly, the way this is accomplished is by having a cumbersome huge archaic bureaucratic system that in many ways works similar to the Federal Government. So a way you might perceive it as California takes the lead by self governance and regulations prior to Federal involvement that affords other States the alternative to just having to implement federal programs explicitly as directed by the Federal Government. I can not tell you how many State DOTs standards and specification i have reviewed, including New York and Pennsylvania, where they just verbatum copy CalTrans or even more blantantly just reference Caltrans for a requirement or standard. Without the available alternative from a fairly self regulating State they would just be required to do what ever the Feds mandate. Now you might say that other states are self regulating, but in truth they are only doing what they need to to regulate in accordance with Federal regulations, which is really just following along. There is probably already discussion somewhere in Washington on regulating manufacturers in some way similar, and it is probably very complicated and cumbersome and overburdening to implement, will cost trillions in taxes and have negligible effect on the manufacturers because of numerous industry loopholes buried in the Federal regulations thus making it ineffectual. Consider the Federal regulations designed to control the practice of hiring illegal labor. Employers must check identification, but their is no way to enforce the laws or no consequences to employers failing to perform the required due diligence.

Hello RCE:

Actually by implementing a number of regulations prior to the federal government that meet or exceed federal guidelines, California is frequently self regulating on state issues more effectively that following the Federal regulations.

That sounds very good, but having personal experience and having designed original food process equipment, they are in fact muddle the clarity and IMO over regulated.

For instance, I have designed a HTST pasteurizer for them USDA-3A standards. (Federal Agency) and when asked the state inspector rejected USDA-3A and even CDFA and said we should have followed the FDA standards.

I said that I was not aware that FDA fully covered standards for pasteurisers as USDA-3A.

FYI, as with most government standards, not only do the standards conflict with other government standards, but they also conflict with there own standards. some to the previous paragraphs.

But I did point out the issues to him, of which the inspector would not clarify or release....because as I saw it he would not back-peddle on his decision.

And instead of having this inspector to clarify himself, I sent a technician out there to correct the issues. But prior, to this I had this inspector send me the write up of issues to address because it presented conflicts with USDA-3A specifications just to cover my own ass.

Why not enforce the law or specifications currently on the books, instead of making new ones.

I later found out that this inspector had personal issues with the type of pumps and valves we had used. G&H as opposed to Tri-Clover, of which both are now Alfa-Laval.

p911

Yes, the great wisdom of California governance has led to the current budget debacle within their borders and a depopulation of the state as people escape the overbearing army of bureaucrats who want to dictate to the great unwashed every niggling detail of their existence for their own good.

Please

So when the village idiots chop off one foot and tell the rest of the village its a great idea because it will save them 50% on buying foot ware no one questions it but rather starts passing laws to make everyone do it instead?

So how many tens of billions will it cost to implement and regulate this potential $8 billion in savings anyway?

And couldn't it be possibly better spent on oh I don't know... More in state alternative energy systems and other power supply efficiency upgrades instead? $8 billion can buy a whole lot of power line and a few dozen terawatts of wind and solar power!

Theres a reason my state has 640,000 people and and a $1.4 billion plus in the the bank! We just know better on some things! Gosh I love seeing those wind generators popping up like weeds around my state! That just seems like money well spent for some reason!

Hey California want to buy some cheap electricity? We got about 100 times more that we need! Just get a big ass extension cord and we will work a hell of a deal with you!