Broadening Your Perspective

Happy New Year Del the cat,

When you have knowledge, real knowledge in certain area, well educated, and can communicate with people, the "creative thinking" comes alone. First, creative thinking is old but like you said, no one talk about because changes in the educational system is better the way as is. Change is risky! Change is made for objections! Nobody cares and no one wants to teach it! But change is new! Change is creative. "Niche businesses", "niche markets" are all around us and many are successful! They were created by people using cretive thinking.

Read some of the books of Edward DeBono on "creative thinking" and more. It's old fashioned but answers to problems.

Imagine at "University X", someone tells in a meeting that they have to install the "creative thinking" program, let say, 4 hours a week, in every class. In any university, who wants to lose hours of teaching the old stuff and learn and teach new something new? Nobody! So, the project is rejected, dies, and "University X" continues the same as before. This is the normal way we do thinks. Changes are bad, we don't want changes. Life is already enough as is, Gil.

That pre-supposes that no one is already teaching creative thinking. Art, science, craft, philosophy all these should be teaching it anyway. I'm sure there are plenty of teachers who inspire their pupils to think creatively.
The idea that people don't take ideas and experiences from one field and transport them to another or 'think outside the box' is preposterous.
I stand fully behind my initial post.
Anyone who has played bridge or read Sherlock Holmes shold be familiar with creative thinking.
Consider the behaviour of the dog in the night, or consider the bids your partner didn't make.
A broad education background is all that's required, not a consultant.
Del

Hi Del the cat,

What you say is exactly what's happening all around the world, except in a few places where no one talks about because precisely, they are "out of the box".

Del, you can stay behind your initial post, it doesn't disturb no one and you stay alone for longtime. Watch your knees! How many Sherlock Holmes you have? How many people think what a dog behaviour is during darkness? No one or you are alone! Also, boards of education, and I am telling boards around the world, they have precise programs and no one want to change those. The few who talk time to time, they will loose their energy after a certain time and the standard operating procedures and actions stay. Tianemmen square was one action to change something but finally the normal rules were maintained or changed just a little. This was "one" against the "world" or the "real power". Look your or my government. They want to change people's life, religion, habits and customs. Vietnam already told: NO! Afganistan already told Russians to "go home". Yes, they did! So, what's the solution for us? We have no word, no influence, they decide for everyone. So, I swallow, and many others have to shut up because we cannot change established things and ways to do those things. See you another time and let you have a good night, Gil.

Hi Del the cat,

Concerning art, where is Bauhaus school today? Someone replaced it? I personally learned from Johannes Innes, about colours, its action on many things but the rest I have no idea and I don't want to know because no positive action on my mind or behaviour. Tell me how I can make more money or be happier if I learn something frm Gropius or any other from the school? However, someone else needs and makes interesting what they teached. This captivated thing, creative and innovative thinking, it must be dispersed over the population to convince many and influence many others. This is though!

The school was revolutionary and creative but was not supported by many people, influencial people to become a majour line in education.

All the best, and create a few words for me. Have a nice weekend, Gil.

Hi Del the cat,

Your comment is well said and written. However, "creative thinking" is not a subject of any school teachers' union. They are not interested to invent the educational system already established, they only fight and fight very hard to get more money and better pension. Who cares about the people in the schools, many young brain who would like to get more than actually teached but they never get it.

Conan Doyle and other good bridge and chess players are using what you call "creative thinking". However, Sherlock Holmes books are read after or before classes, never in the class. This is the simple and powerful answer. In bridge or chess, and why not concerning Holmes, vengeance dominate at place of any thinking.

You remember Fisher-Karpov 1972 confrontation? It was more deadly than WWII.

We or many people, businesses need consultant because they have momentarily difficulties, and outsiders, competant people can solve their problems. This is just consulting.

Concerning dogs, they are following certain instincts and react accordingly. A dog hide extra food (bone) for later times. Every dog does the same way. So, there is no "creative thinking"! There is eventually repetitive thinking or copying an action after learning.

Edouard deBono written about it but I never saw his name in any schoolbook. Linus Pauling suggested close to 35 years ago for everyone on Earth to take extra vitamins, get healthier and live longer but very few people follow his suggestions. Sorry, I do! I do diligently!

It was not a critic about your comments, just an addition or complementary note. It's you to judge, Gil.

Good one Del ! Well said!

What's the definition of a consultant?

Some one who pisses you off, rips you off, and then buggers off.

jt.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Hellp jt,

A consultant is a human being with certain knowledge in a certain area of an industry or a system of work. Consulting is helping ignorants in the industry or execute a system of work they are in.

I was and am still a consultant in the coating industry. I already helped people with solutions without ripping off nobody.

Most of the time the problem is the following between consultant and who needs help: A formula with specific raw materials is sold. The buyer of the formula never, and I repeat, never was respected. The raw material list, changed and some ingredient were replaced with simply available on the floor, and used or added in different ways that supposed to be done. I speak of repeated examples!

I made myself in the buyer's location with the exact raw materials the formula to their entire satisfaction, and paid for it. Sorry! Made it to the entire satisfaction of their customers!

Once, I was working in another country, created few paints. They were well accepted by users and sales went up and up. After six months I was at home, I received a phone call from one of this company's customer, big user, saying: Gil, what's happening in the company "X"? The paint became absolutely un-useable. Too liquid or dirty, don't cover, etc! Could you make for me somewhere else the same than before?

I contacted another company, and finally, after many phone calls and negotiations the company bought the close to same formula and use today with success without changing nothing. They don't change, for the only reason, because they understand who pays the bill. Today, the first company is out of business. How ignorance, lack of knowledge, and high ego destroy everything. It's surprising!

If the consultant don't have a high level of knowledge in the matter where she/he is consulting, should or must step out of this consulting business.

A plan, let say a desire is to call a consultant. Why? Because the dreamer needs help and if the dreamer is helped some satisfactory way, the dreamer needs to pay for the solution and respect the consultant and its consulting abilities. I hope your next experience with consultant is better than before, Gil.

It's a joke. Gil.

I accept there are many excellent consultants. Experienced men
and women who helpfully advise and guide us far lesser mortals.

However unfortunately like most groups, not all consultants are equal.
And, while in the past we have been most grateful of their knowledge,
we have also been taken to the cleaners (by some) on occasions.

We can only speak as we find; and may be my joke has been taken in
bad form, but no malice is or was intended for the genuine consultants.

My best regards,

jt.

In God we trust, everyone else pays.

Hi jt,

I am not saying there are many. I don't want to exagerate but some of them are good but need to select the best with accuracy. It's like any profession, there is a few famous, and many others just have the title. The Bell-curve at the both ends is limited quantity, the real "genius" and the real "moron" don't run in the streets, so we have to be careful in our choices.

I talk about my profession in the coating indusry: There is a very small number of good individual with good technical knowledge. While? Because in many companies they want to make only a decent salary for their family and don't want to put the whole company upside down. And, in many paint companies the upside down operation should be the solution.

At the other hand, you have too many consultants because this became a fashion to call someone consultant. Also, it pays well. And, moneyn is money and is good!?

Just an example, and no critics. I consult sales people without taking all informations from them as real. I see around and collect information on the Internet, suggestions and other real or unreal options from many, and finally I try and prove myself the reality. I can choose to make or reject the project, after the results.

I agree with you about bag guys out there but there is someone knowledgeable too, isn't it, jt?

When we have a new project, we have to know what is the final point to arrive. The liaison between the two ends is the hard part and sometimes you need consulting, not necessarily a consultant but someone has undertanding about your project and being smart. It become a judgement about the project and people are involved into. All the best, Gil.

Hi Jt,

It's not a joke! I consult when people need help and when I can help. Whenever my knowledge is limited or not enough for the project, I step out. My name worth more than a few thousand dollar. I can agree with you that you have bad experience with consulting people, but you have to accept the following: When someone ask for answer, the person don't have the solution to its problem. Right? If the consultant can solve the problem, what's wrong with the consultant? Nothing!

Probably, you paid the cosultant before the result!? Pay only, and only after you get satisfactory result! I am paid and I ask those therms, 30 to 90 days after obtention of good result. A post -dated chque is good and can be cancelled, isn't it? Only one condition I ask and must be signed that any formula suggested and not paid pertain exclusively to me or my compamy. However, they can use the same raw materials as in the formulation but respect 10% less or 10% more of "Pigment Volume Concentration=PVC" of the formula. The remaining part I am leaving to them. With any PVC more or less than 10% they cannot make the coating good for the purpose was designated.

At place of telling us that consultants are croocked or unable to fill their functions, follow the method I described: Choose one, tell the question or problem, get the answer or the solution, and pay only after that. It's easy and fair, Gil.

Hi Jt,

I hope you have the chance to read my comments, which saying; Choose one consultant you estimate reasonably good, tell the question or problem you have, get the answer or the solution, and pay only after that. This way you never have deception on the performance of someone, individual or group. You are the judge on the solution and you compensate people for their work like as you do with employees. It's fair! Tell me what you think about, Gil.

Hello Jaen,

I cannot find the sentence telling us that if creative thinking depends on being able to define or reframe a problem to find a solution... This is faulty or rather incomplete! What I said is that you have an idea to do something defined, find the way to get there. This is the hard part, find the way to get to the desired result, goal or you named. Look around and you will discover that many smart person, Wozniack, Jobs, Dell, Pauling, including Einstein, all have hard time to succeed what was their idea or goal. It took time to get to the final and successful results.

These people were consultants, you like or not. They never convinced managers, bosses, or corporations' chief officers. They were not able to do that, including those genius. They all became consultant to themselves because this was the only way to succeed and arrive to the end.

Did you already participated in a corporate meeting with all the ties? Have you the chance to express your idea and convince people at the thick and heavy table? I don't think so. When you are not the most important peorson, you have no authority to impose your ideas. Period!

You explain clearly what I try to say but you go against the actions what is needed to succeed and get results.

Sorry for my simple language but I was all the time explained and written what and how things must be done the obtain those wanted results, mainly in production. Workers cannot understand what many manager say, and this is the real handycap.

I already imposed my personal and typical viewpoint to millionair whose story was already told. He was smart because he recognized his lack of knowledge, and also he was seen what customers wanted, so he accepted my proposal. Everyone were against to change the way the company goes, accountants, sales managers, and the previous technical adviser but the boss, he acted in the favour of his business. His company and himself became from stagnation to profitability, which was his unique interest.

Honestly, in 53 years, I have only one like that but I am happy to get it.

You define extremely well people, which looking for safety, no risk, no change. They take the easy way, isn't it? Jaen, it was a pleasure to tell you what is before, Gil.

Hi Jaen,

Could we slow down? Ok! In already established small to medium business the boss cannot accept that I am smarter than she/he is. Fine with you? Also, in a corporation, like you already mentionned, everyone protects its "arriere", and all changing proposals are flooded with: "It cannot be done", and the chief of the meeting will tells to everyone what to do next. Still fine?

I talking about a starting business, which must be based on to turn a vision into reality. This only can be done when the followings are respected practically in that order. Building a business structure.

"Focus", which allows to the starting business to move and concentrate all efforts and resources in the choosen direction.

Creation of a "market niche" is creation of a small business where no one else is.

Only the "market niche" business gives the opportunity to eliminate the competition and become market dominator, and have a profitable business. Corporation cannot dominate by law, and competition is created, so profitability is go down, and many times some of them fall down.

Only small, market niche business can build the business around the customer at place of products. Also, only a "market niche" business can create and keep an infrastructure as minimal and simple as possible, and concentrate its focus on the market.

The infrastructure is only marketing, supported by production and distribution with optimum efficiency.

In this small company, the owner is the creator and innovator, and she/he doesn't need approval, it's already decided and go forward. Her/his family, fiends, and other are against her/his idea and volonty to do so. Imagine in a corporation, you want to revolutionize the whole organization, eventually eliminate confortably installed people around the thick table, and the chief can realize, in front of everyone, that other can be smarter than she/he is. Wow!

You mention many successful people but, after my opinion, they are the chief and sometimes the creator or innovator too. They don't need approval, they need from people around the thick table to help realize the proposal, isn't it? That's right!

The "win-win" situation is real when I decide to do somethingI elaborate about it, try it, approve it, and I do it by myself to someone else. This will be never teachhed in any school on the surface of the Earth. First, they will be many teachers and only one or two students, so totally non-profitable for the school. Lok around. Jesus, Mahomet, Buddha, the Pope or the Dalai Lama or the Ayatholla X cannot put everyone under the same umbrella.

Have a nice weekend and come back with new ideas, Gil.

Creativity is a very basic, very common human characteristic, as anyone who has spent much time with a young child can attest. Formal education tends to destroy this tendency in many. Brilliant ideas are very, very common, as any reader of CR4 can attest. What is lacking is the foresight and preservation needed to bring these brilliant ideas to fruition...

Happy New Year Cwarner7 11,

I agree on your observation that virgin mind or brain is more attuned to innovate or being able to think out-of-the-box. We parents and schools destroy that extraordinary capacity by imposing most of the time meaningless way math, sciences, and other educational matters. I born before WWII, and my mother teach me to read at 3 by underlining words with starting with a, b, and the next lettre. She wrote 3, 4, or 5 lettres words in a paper and show me and I pronounced the word. This was a game and learning process between us for over two years with airplanes flying over our heads. When I went to school at 7, I was able to read fluently and I stayed, without being a genius, in front of everyone. Some 20 years later I did the same with my first dather. It worked too. My second dather was the same, and after that I don't have the time to do it for the next two children. Now, I really regret it! This is life!

Today's educational systems at all level is based on telling at place of satisfying the desire of the young. Imagine, they need to learn non-desirable subjects during 6 to 12 years before they can choose something valuable for them.

Thanks for the smart words. Have a nice weekend, Gil.

Solutions to problems can be well fostered by the following tips.

1]Optimism that solution is possible.

2]Receptivity and open mindedness.

3]unbiased attitude.

4]Scientific thinking.

5]Understanding fundamentals- literature snapping.

6]Constant bruding still finding solution.

7]writing out or sketching flash ideas instantly.

8]Boldness and visualizing.

9]Possible small scale low cost simulation test to build up approach.

101] Dedicated thinking by oneself and not rushing to others for solutions.

11] Good deal of common sense.

12]Accepting criticisms.

13]Perseverance and not giving up attitude and so more without procrastinations

That's great! GA.

sometimes I use my handy dandy word association program...

but seriously... sometimes ideas float in from space when you clear your mind enough... its a discipline, because normally you spend so much time gnashing teeth over problems... there is a way of mind that allows ideas to come from the infinite beyond/quantum multiverse/spiritual realms, etc.

Chris

Thank you Chrisq for the G.A

*I just shared my personal stand, which experience is teaching me every day,

*When you narrow down to personal views and think you are great and all yours in your opinion should be great and lay a sort of superiority and self over estimation- their starts the trouble.

*The acceptance or proof of workability is the crieteria- the third party acceptance is of critical importance.

*At times expert consultations in areas other than our familiarity should be consulted and accepted -atleast on the basics part.

*Environmental solutions are one of the toughest ventures,calling for complex acceptance mechanisms from vast sources. On the process of this hard journey, more considerations into third party acceptance plays vital than our own estimation.

CUSTOMER IS THE KING and anything should meet this demand.

Hi S,

It's a good collection of words to creativity and innovation. However, I suggest to use E. Deming's idea of P-Plan, D-Do, C-Check, A-Act. It's simple and efficient but I recommend to use before and/or after to thinking your sentences. They are valuable. My mother told me, verbalize your intuitions, put on paper, and accumulate your notes for a future and appropriate moment. All my genius ideas are on paper but I use just a very small fragment of them. One correction. My attitude is all the time biased. I don't like monotony. Also, what I need to do when fundamentals are faulty? I need some recommendations from you. S, please, help me! I promise, I will help you, Gil.

Thank you Gil for the interaction.

In fact I have missed one important point in my post no 16, which should be worth mentioning as your mother had said.

It is about defining the problem or goal, then locating the problem area based on factor analysis. Based on preliminary trials, one should precisely locate the most ca-useful factor and go deep into the solving journey. Note that all such discussions should be put on paper or a note book and be recorded date wise.

Without record or minutes, the whole exercise is a waste affair lacking continuity.

As mentioned in the reply to Chrisq- the third party acceptance plays critical importance in such problem solving or innovation portfolios.

Now,for few of your queries, I just share what sounds best to my knowledge.

1]Ideas are to be recorded at instant, because they are free flowing and occasional. The other aspect is immediate sketching of the idea, visualize the workability. Convince your self it is workable.

2]One can not be a master in all subjects- consultation on fundamentals by personal expert interactions or Google search/ wikipedia or How stuff works.com or encyclopedia or even school books or college text books play importance. That will answer the feasibility of ideas and give scientific guidance.

* The other next step is verification by low cost simulations by available resources or mini model fabrications based on budget.

* Check workability based on performance or go for third party evaluation. The problem is patentable inventions should be dealt exclusively by the researcher himself without disclosure to 3rd party. Confirm yourself the feasibility in strictest confidence, at least the basics part.

*Bias is a negative character, coming out of narrow outlook, over self esteem, lack of empathy or hastiness. Don't give room for that.

*Hatred to monotony is a basic sign of creativity- but it should be complimented by Patience, dedication and learning zeal.

Constant learning and renewal of values and our perceptions should be a daily affair in research.

In fact research is nothing but making the impossible possible,based on scientific workability.

Problem solving is more of journey of finding the Truth and nothing more than that.

To convert ideas from paper one got to practise fabrication simulations for confirming basics. You may incur cost and time but decide how worth is your idea based on its worth. Dream with realistic perspectives to avoid frustrations.

There is no single person who knows everything.

Same way nothing is beyond understanding and branded as tough.

If you have anything in specific, that I can help you feel free to contact.

Regards and best wishes.

Hello S,

Interesting and long work. I am not here to correct you but want to add a few points to completing what you already told.

First and most important, you have to remember that our memory functions by forgetting thinks, sometimes to fast. So, we have the write down every idea flows out of our mind. I put down on paper many things, sometimes irrelevent at the moment but can be crucial another time.

All notes must be checked in regular time frams, let say once every week. At that time, we can add, modify or just forget for the moment.

One idea is a personal idea, don't involve others, just add to it by researching, adding, and changing. Others don't accept that you are genius! Better surprising them with the finished product and/or service. Also, when you have an original idea and you talk about to others, you have the difficulties with patentability of this idea. Others can claim that the patent is theirs and not your. Ouchhh! Your idea is as said: It's your Idea!

Forget costing up to the last step. Everything is expensive or appear expensive, and money problems are bigger than any other difficulties. Don't create them! I already mentionned that do business is by creating a "niche market", which is making something that doesn't exist anywhere, today. Look around! Everybody sell coffee! Starbuck sells for double or triple price. This is the niche, high priced, complicated to pronounce and has a taste that no one has. For uniqueness everyone pays the higher price. Well said, no?!?!?! In the other side, I never eat a meal in an airport, this only "restaurant" in this airport visit probably and mostly once in my life. So, they don't care if the meal is good or bad. Do you understand the situation? Unique restaurant never cares about you.

I like bias because many times I did the opposite what was already done, and it's working half of the time! Positive can be negative, depending what is important for one and to another.

Problem solving is nothing more of a journey of finding the "Truth" and nothing more than that. OK. After my opinion, only mine, the sentence is too religious and not scientific. In science or scientific way, we explain things and events, which can be true for us and not at all for others or vice-versa.

Personally, I do things because I believe that what I have is good for others and others think the same, and that evidence is the truth for me and for others. I never forget that I am alone agaimst 6.5 billion other human beings. They are the majority and convince them or just part of them about my idea is already a victory.

Simplifying: 1) Get an idea and write down. 2) Elaborate this idea to eventually change it. 3) Approve it. 4) Exploit it.

If it's too simple, stay with it. Too complicated businesses don't stay alive too long, Gil.

Heard your views. The lesson is every thing need to be systematic, recorded and followed with strict, serious concern and treated with importance.

Any deed of innovation or a problem to be solved needs the acceptance of the customer or public, which is very essential in getting its successful implementation.

Because it is a customer dependent society.

Hello S,

It's not my intention to teach you something but I suggest to read a few books from valueable authors. They are valueable for me again. E. Deming: Out of crisis, and Al Ries and Jack Trout, together or separately. Those lasts are in marketing and written few extremely interesting and most read books for future and already doing business people. Enjoy the reading, Gil.

Gil,

Thanks for thr reference books you have suggested. If I get a chance ,I shall surely go thro'. Regards

Hi S,

Your tips are correct or rather extravagent. Too many things at the same time. Human brain cannot handle so much materials at the same time. We have to choose few of them and use it efficiently.

Example, put together optimism, unbiased attitude, writing down everything, and visualizing. It's enough to be smart for new and innovative idea production. For sure you can add more or take off some of them but the idea is simplification. Human brain is childishly simple.

Finally, you have to accept my criticism about your comment! No harm, just smile! This is my addition to your good rated comment, Gil.

I think it was Einstein that said "a problem cannot be solved by the same mind that created it". One must think/create outside the box.

Scientists suggest that a major portion of the brain is not used (not understood).

Perhaps this unused portion is the space between our thoughts, our subconscious; the infinite void of creation.

You generate ideas by tapping into this creative space; by inspiring your subconscious resource by clearing your conscious mind (meditate?). All inventions, all ideas began with a thought. As a group (where two or more are gathered) meditating or praying together, the collective conciousness is greatly enhanced and creativity and inspiration blooms.

szwasta,

G.A.You dot it right. It is all about training or practice of brain storming culture. Once we are used up tapping the brain activation it works like a perpetual flow springs. One got to train himself in squeegeeing out the brain faculty to exploit its best potential. It is a painless pleasure and no Mega or Giga bites count.

Unused brains get rusted and fade away of its potentials.

Hi S,

I like your sentence at the end of your messages. Yes, we all die because the decision of the "nature", some people call it the ultimate power or God, I call "nauture". The "nature" sees that we don't use it enough, so why we are here, just pass the time?

We can see that the most involved people lived longer than average human at that period of time. The old timer and present philosophers, scientists, thinkers, and other involved people lived 75 or up close to 100 years. Imagine 1,000 years ago, someone passes 90? It was exceptionally long life! Average people disappeared at 40 or before.

Thanks for the sentence, Gil.

your quote is incorrect... it is as follows.

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." A. Einstein.

... 'thinking' not "mind" as that would imply you can't solve your own problems.

chris

Hi Chris,

I accepted without correction because the sentence is still correct to us what it wants. See my comments. Ready for the Olympics? It's close to you. See you later, Gil.

Thus, I prefaced the quote with "I think"

Hello my Friend,

Don't worry about our words, they are only words. They are not hitting your head or somewhere else, and no injury will occur, guaranteed. No, we don't guarantee happines. Happiness is something we earn.

We have just different view on many things if not everything. It's OK! It's fine and we have to relax to get another day. Wish you the best, Gil.

No worries, just a play on words; think, thinking.

I am as lighthearted as they come (next publication of Webster dictionary should have a photo of me next to "lighthearted")

Happiness is something we choose (choose to (l)earn?)

Hi Szwasta,

I agree with your comment about the problem creator. She/he has a problem because she/he cannot solve it. It's obvious!

Yes, we don't use large portion of our capacity because we have hard time to penetrate to the place where ideas are concentrated.

I disagree with the idea of "as a group praying together" to find an innovative idea. When someone prays, someone asks help, and when you get help, you are not "you", and innovation is not yours. You carry someone else's idea or suggestion, isn't it? Let religious involvement out of meditation, thinking, and innovation. Religion is a very personal opinion, needs, practice, and involvement but personal. Look around, every religion has divisions, many divisions because the personal input is dominating.

Innovations are from one person or group to others to help. In a word, we have a problem and we create a solution. It's simple but we complicate too much.

To get out of the box, isolate yourself, concentrate on the subject, think about, simplify, complicate, in that order or not, but note everything is coming out of your head. Good luck, Gil.

Gil,

You got it right. What way group prayers got to do with brain storming? Absolutely no connection. It can be rather collective group efforts ,where collective unique focused energies become synergies. That can do Magics.

Simply:

Teach a student the knowledge to pass the test and they will pass the course.

Teach a student logical thinking and they will develop the skill of how to learn anything. Passing a test will become secondary and they will always pass the course!

The ultimate goal of a teacher is to develop each student individually and produce a confident, educated graduate!

Icchiefeng,

Well said Sir.A teacher's job is best done, when the student had well understood the basics. He should be able to apply the basics as per situation with a sense of presence of mind. Individuality counts a lot.

Some how most of us are used to the imitation games on values and our behaviour. Mass behaviour of following, what other's do, in most of our deeds ,losing our self identity and real capabilities.

Lateral thinking differentiates users of their brain faculty from others.

Hi Feng,

In my humble opinion, the important is: "You know what we talking about, that's all!" The remaining part of the educational system I am not interested. Again, teach to a child, very young, around 1 and half year old and after, not when she/he is 15 or 20, to understand the world around and know what to do and how to do to get the results wanted.

Very few parent in the today's world go with youngs, their children to the forest or other calm and peaceful areas and reveal to them this peaceful and "our" nature. How we want they like people, nature and the rest, not love, just appreciate the world as is. They don't know nothing about, they don't understand the world!

In professional work is the same. I don't want to know or it's not important what comes from school. She/he knows what we want or not!

I was in contact during my life with very diplomed people and with others without any papers, and many times I felt better with ordinary people without title. Simple words are telling us more than politicians talks!

Don't take away Edouard deBono's teaching - logical thinking - in your sentences without mentionning his name.

No one student was educated individually, except when I started to work, my boss, an old chemist teached me what to do. He was an educator and I try to imitate his way to transfer my knowhow to someone else. This was theaching without graduation and diploma but I passed the course! This was respect between two individuals with communication, Gil.