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Is Network Neutrality a Big Deal?

Posted January 30, 2010 7:43 AM

The FCC seeks to preserve an open Internet. That means ensuring there is no interference in sending and receiving lawful content. It also means everyone has a right to use lawful applications, services, and content providers. There should be no discrimination. ISPs claim that net neutrality will limit their ability to charge for services that provide the incentive to enhance the infrastructure to accommodate rising bandwidth demand and increasing traffic. What's important: quality of service or financial concerns? Shouldn't ISPs have some latitude in how they serve customers? How much control is too much? And in the end, should you care?

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01/30/2010 8:08 AM

I think the other side of the sword is that spammers will lawfully be allowed equal bandwidth and ISPs can do nothing about it. That's one example.

The net result may be that internet service takes a speed hit for all of us.

As far as spam goes, the best defense is a coordinated ignore of all spam. If people stopped responding to the unsolicited junk email it would go away in a matter of days. Better than 50% of all email is spam.

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01/30/2010 10:47 PM

Much better than 50%, more like 98%.

If you want to stop the email spam problem then simply charge $0.0001 per email sent. If you send out a hundred emails a day then it costs you or your company $0.01 per day, no big deal.

For the spammer who sends out 1,000,000 emails a day it costs them $1000 per day, very big deal for them.

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01/30/2010 10:48 PM

The digital rights people want the ISPs to use deep packet inspection to block infringing data, as well as anything distributed by torrents is assumed to be infringing.

So you can encrypt the data, so all they can tell is that it sent around via torrent. The digital rights also want to block all torrents on the presumption it is infringing.

The problem is a real one, with too many people sending movies and other pirated files thay can use so much bandwidth thay slow us all down.

Of course, what if the movie makers want to distribute their legal content, well we must let them do that, and what's more, we must give them a royal road so their traffic has priority over yours. And if you want to use Skype or Vonage and your ISP also hooks up online phone services, well their phone services will have a priority over yours.

I have an idea, lets privatize the sidewalks, and let some company own them, and maintain them. Then when you want to walk across them = a fee. You want to drive across them in your car = a fee.

Now the ISPs deperately want this toll road for content, as do the digital rights people.

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01/30/2010 11:20 PM

The problem is that, increasingly, the ISPs are owned by the content providers. Without net neutrality laws there is nothing to prevent them from throttling Hulu and bittorrent which offer for free what customers pay for with cable TV. They have the ability to squash competition in the name of 'network management', e.g. the latest Comcast smackdown by the FCC.

"Shouldn't ISPs have some latitude in how they serve customers?"

Yes, but when they are the only provider available, a defacto monopoly, they can do whatever they please to their customers.

"ISPs claim that net neutrality will limit their ability to charge for services that provide the incentive to enhance the infrastructure to accommodate rising bandwidth demand and increasing traffic"

Bullshit. The US lags far behind much of the developed world when it comes to internet connection speed. http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Images/commentarynews/broadbandspeedchart.jpg

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01/31/2010 12:16 PM

What is to prevent a group of consumers, disgruntled with their monopolistic ISP, from getting together and forming their own ISP in competition with the guys they don't like? This is called free market capitalism, and it's very effective.

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01/31/2010 12:29 PM

Are you aware of the fact that a few huge telcos own the large fiber backbones, and they will sell you bandwidth, but they also throttle you with deep packet inspection to give their traffic a priority

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01/31/2010 12:34 PM

So? There are other alternatives. Satellites for example. And I am pretty sure any one of us could think of other ways around this as well.

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01/31/2010 12:39 PM

Have a look at what is going on in Venezuela regarding mass media. Chavez has driven a number of broadcasters (radio and TV) off the airwaves, so some of them turned to Cable. Now he has driven them off Cable (for not transmitting his speeches), and the information is migrating to the Internet and social media. He has not yet figured out how to block those media, but he will try. Essentially, anyone who disagrees with Chavez in Venezuela has no right to express an opinion...Which is where "net neutrality" could lead us, as soon as we let the government have a say in what or how information is exchanged...

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01/30/2010 11:40 PM

My biggest concern is that most politicians have perfected George Orwell's "doublespeak"- that is, when the government talks of "net neutrality", you should interpret this as "government censorship", whether that is the original intent or something added as a result of the next "Patriot Act". Have a look at what Chavez is trying to do in Venezuela, or China, or any number of other countries where governments try to regulate content...

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01/31/2010 12:09 PM

What troubles me about this whole debate is the use of the word "lawful". The thrust seems to be that everyone should have the right to send across the internet anything which is legal, yes? But the problem is, what's to prevent any government or politician from turning around tomorrow and declaring stuff "unlawful"? This is a question of ethics far more than anything else, and ethics are slippery.

First is the question of legal ownership. Who owns the internet? Tough question. The infrastructure of the internet is owned by many, including various governments, universities, telecommunications companies, and so forth. But the issue here seems to be, who owns the ISPs, which seems to me to be a pretty obvious question.

Now, it seems offensive to me to have anyone tell me how I may use what is mine, and I can think of no one who would not be offended by this. Shall we tell every owner of televisions that they shall be required to leave their sets turned off on Tuesdays, or mandate that everyone shall tune in to "I Love Lucy" re-runs at 7:30PM?

The point here is simply that the ISP, as a privately owned entity, has every right to conduct it's business in whatever manner it's owners please. BUT, if I don't like what my ISP is doing, is it not simpler to switch ISPs rather than pass a law which tells the ISP how they must behave? If then enough people become offended by this ISP and take their business elsewhere, will this ISP then not be forced to amend it's practices or cease to exist?

Furthermore, who decides what is and is not "lawful"? There are two concepts here. Malum in se, and malum prohibitum. The first are that class of things that are wrong in and of themselves. Murder, rape, theft and the like. But the other class, that is another matter. Malum prohibitum are those things that are declared wrong. Or in simpler terms, its wrong because I say so, the "I" in this case being the governing entity with the authority to say so.

So called "drug abuse" is a very good example of this. In the past, there were no laws in the U.S.A. regarding this sort of behavior and yes, there was some of it going on. But, it was mostly a matter of the odd individual who was addicted to something like Laudanum, and I ask you, who did they hurt besides themselves? Who is harmed by the occasional marijuana smoker? But! By making these things unlawful, we have created a huge problem. Drug dealers and gangs, drug lords with private armies, huge bureaucracies with massive budgets and armies of jack-booted thugs that have the legal right to kick your door down in the middle of the night, and so forth. I take note that something like that was tried all over the world in the last century with the prohibition of alcoholic beverages, and with similar results.

The point is that government has the authority at any time to declare whatever it wishes to be unlawful. Already, if you have a photo or film on your computer of your five-year old daughter running naked from her mother (who of us that is a parent does not have some similar cherished memory?), such data can be lawfully construed as "child pornography" and you could lawfully have your door kicked in by federal thugs who could seize your computer and arrest you, and you could be tried, convicted and sent to prison.

Think it couldn't happen? Tell that to all the people who suddenly found themselves in possession of illegal firearms because their government had passed a law prohibiting ownership of handguns, or requiring a shotgun barrel to be no less than 18.5 inches in length.

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02/01/2010 8:15 AM

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't the FCC a US organization? How can the US regulate something they don't own?

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02/01/2010 8:49 AM

the USA is only going to regulate what its companies own, which is a lot

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02/01/2010 10:47 AM

Probably the same way China can. You play by our rules, or we don't CARE if you take your football home. Our government has grown so big it thinks it can do ANYTHING that appeals to it. I am not one for Mr. Obama's habit of apologizing for everything America ever did, but there are some aspects of being a proud American that are hard to swallow. And the arrogance of our government (shoot, that IS Mr. Obama, to hear him tell it.) is one of the worst.

But, yep, that's how they can regulate it. Just like China does.

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